Posted by Imbrogno on July 8, 2000 at 08:12:44:
In Reply to: Re: I don't expect you to understand any roleplaying implication for anything in the game Arolin, and therefore simply choose to ignore your arguments. nt posted by Klaak on July 8, 2000 at 07:45:04:
> Imbrogno, Arolin is right about this. Ignore him as much as you wish, but it doesn't change the fact. I've played ALOT of chars, and interracted with ALOT of arbs. I've seen maybe one or two arbs in almost three years of playing CF that have not abused their powers. EVERY arb that I've killed or attacked outside of town has flagged me for it, with no criminals even logged on that they could try to justify the flag by saying they were "persueing" the criminal and I was obstructing justice. I agree with most all of this. It's not right when Arbiters abuse their powers and flag you for no reason. However, 9 times out of 10 you don't know whether they're pursuing a criminal or not. Realize that Arbiters get tells all of the time letting them know where a criminal is, so if they're running down Eastern Road to go to the past where there is a criminal, that's reason enough to have guards. Some Arbiters might flag you for attacking them at that point and some may not, I'm one of the latter because I know if you attack me while I have guards I'm just going to fuck you up and hope the guards get the last blow, I don't need to flag you. This was Kopentol's policy after the rager's started taking the book. Basically this was before the war began and arbiters were getting raped, so Kopentol looked over the laws, the books, and all of the other regulations and realized that it didn't say anywhere that somebody defending a cabal against retrieval of the book could not be made wanted. So from that point on if you defended the village against arbiters who were trying to retrieve the book, AND THERE WERE NO CRIMINALS INSIDE THE VILLAGE AT THE TIME, you could flag said villager. It says specifically on the pillar or in the books, however, that an arbiter cannot flag a person for defending their cabal if the raid is to get a criminal that is inside. Arbs are not meant to be invulnerable under threat of death of attacking them. Agreed, and I never flagged anybody for attacking me outside of a protected city, regardless of whether I had guards or not. Flags are meant to be issued to people who break a law in PROTECTED AREAS, or by interferring with capturing a criminal. Agreed for the most part. They are NOT meant to be used for anything else, such as exacting revenge, or settling personal vendettas with people who have not just committed a crime. Agreed. Affecting players not in your range with manacles and guards is grossly unfair. For them to be able to mess you up, and there's not a thing you can do about it, is simply not right. The xp penalty if fine, so long as lowbie players don't have to deal with hero guards. This I do not agree with. NOBODY would play an Arbiter if they knew they were going to be forced to rank-sit at 15 so that somebody would there to kill the lowbie criminals. NOBODY in their right mind wants to rank sit at 15, 20, 25, 30 and so on just so they can be there in the off chance that a criminal in their range might come around. What would happen is there would be one lone hero arbiter on and the level 30 morons would run rampant breaking every law in the book and the arbiter could nothing besides flag them. Special guards wouldn't attack them, he wouldn't be able to manacle them, so he's virtually worthless. Now if Arbiters was a super popular cabal with more applicants than we could handle I'm sure this might be taken into consideration, but it takes a special breed to play an arbiter and there just aren't that many of us out there who try to do it and do it well. So you're stuck with special guards, deal with it.
When I was a rager, I've defended the village from a raiding arb and got flagged for it.