Posted by Tureanthen(IMM) on July 14, 2000 at 06:57:37:
In Reply to: permagroups posted by Wondering on July 13, 2000 at 12:09:17:
For anyone who remembers back then I'd like to point out a few things: 1) Kah and Tureanthen almost never grouped except for raids and such. We might have once or twice when it was necessary, but in general we didn't. 2) Kah and Tureanthen didn't get along. They had very different opinions about how Empire should be run and actually came to blows on more than one occasion. 3) Kah and Tureanthen didn't keep the same hours. We were on together sometimes, but not together just as much. 4) Tureanthen earned his place as the first Citizen by gathering an army around him and having people follow him well before the Empire ever came into existance. He had around 25 followers through notes and correspondance who acted together as a unit with goals similar to the Empire. The facts that we all live in different parts of the country (or different countries all together) during our playing careers, talk maybe once or twice a week at most, and are in opposing cabals as often as similar kind of indicates that we don't do anything closely resembeling a permagroup. The fact that we've anathed and plotted against each others characters over the years shows that we don't play favorites. Hell, Agathocles got one of my mortals denied for a lame name once... (I was already cabaled and 18th level at the time too, boy was I pissed.) Basically, I think you'll find its a lot of fun when you try not to let what you know of each other influence what you do. If I happen to know who one of my brother's characters is and we're on opposing sides, generally I'm as likely to single them out as not. BTW Kah wins the most face to face out of the three of us in case anyone is wondering. > Grak saying an imm referred to him and Sevrac as a perma group concerns me. I am playing an imperial currently and have logged aroung 100 hours the last few weeks and have grouped with both of them, only once at the same time. Neither has been around that much and usually not at the same time and not at predicatable times. Is it getting to the point you should not group with people more than once even if you are in the same cabal? Should I be trying to group my imperial with ragers and scarabs to rank to cut down on the time i group with imperials ( which is against the rules of some sects now.) > The situation i usually see, especially once passing thirty and if in a cabal, is there are only a few people you can feasibly group with to stay within the confines of your role. Since people tend to have habitual times they play, it only makes sense you will group with the same people frequently. If i log on and see two people i have travelled with before and i wish to learn, damn right im gonna ask them because i know the reponse will probably be yes instead of waiting a few hours to see if someone else shows. > I personnally don't think a group of people who know each other joing the same cabal and plating around the same time is that big a deal. It is much preferable to people in different cabals or playing independent characters sharing info with people ooc they would never be able to ic. Say you have a member of another cabal telling his friends where certain members are or what not, especially if using a char they dont particuarlly care about. In the same cabal at least you would be sharing info you would be anyway and pursuing similar goals. > I remember reading a post from Agathocles talking about his child being born and Uncle Tureanthean and Uncle Kah coming to visit. I personally have no problem with this. They were friends who had an idea (Empire) and worked together to get it implemented. I'm sure they enjoyed the experience more > The nature of joining a cabal itself should lessen the effects of permagrouping because of the constraints placed on a char by the cabal. The ones to worry about are the groups of three non caballed chars who are never apart and really do nothing for anyone besides kill whoever they see. > I think the reason the Erauj Austa Nakaluka combo has gotten so much attention is becuase Erauj posted all that shit. Otherwise, not that big a deal. I don't think that is as bad as when the ragers were still powerfull around the 40s and hero ranks, if the didnt have the head you would see about two of them, head is recovered and the whole gang shows up. > I forgot what my point was, think ill stop now.
> because they were doing things with friends. I think there are some people now who would scream they should be banned because they are using ooc knowledge to affect the game.