Posted by Proud Blade(VIP) on July 25, 2000 at 01:47:40:

In Reply to: 2-hand dedication. Is the Re-vamp all it could be ? posted by Concerned Paladin on July 25, 2000 at 00:44:02:

Not to spoil your lil' trigger-o-rama session, but... if you're going to quote numbers, you should spend some time thinking about whether or not they are meaningful.

Maybe your opponent's str/dex/whatever matters quite a bit. Maybe size is important. Maybe the weapon they are wielding matters. Maybe whether or not they are using a shield matters. Maybe your weapon weight matters. Maybe your target's armor class matters. Maybe your hitroll matters. Maybe your target's ethos or morals matter. Maybe their class matters. Maybe any number of skills matter (parry, dodge, shield block, relevant weapons, etc.)

In short, how do you know your numbers have any global significance? What if you are just doing something wrong? (Or right! The skill may be less useful than you present.) Given the complexity of other aspects of CF's code, I think it's silly to assume that these skills have some fixed chance to work, no matter what the situation is.

Finally, why are you comparing your skills to a warrior's? (Not that boneshatter works anywhere near 99%...) You may have noticed that warriors don't get sanctuary, wrath, and all those other useful communes you get. Now you want to outfight them, toe to toe?

Try to base your argument on things other than "I want a more powerful character." From what I've seen so far, paladins stack up quite well against other classes, regardless of fighting style.

> Some stats for your interest.
> (trigger count)
> 1000 strikes , 743 faiths, 328 purity, 166 deliverance.
> Deliverance % may increase (due to my skill only being at 93%)
> templar low thurst, 84 / 100 (1 round)
> templar low spinthrust 73 / 100 (2 round)
> templar low crescent 66 / 100 (2 round)
> templar mid spin 64 / 100 (2 round)
> templar mid cross 75 / 100 (2 round)
> templar mid hiltsmash 86 / 100 (1 round)
> templar mid slash 56 / 100 (2 round)
> templar high spin 81 / 100 (1 round)
> templar high deflect 72 / 100 (2 round)
> templar high slash 60 / 100 (2 round

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• Re: Paladin 04:09:26 7/25/2000 (11)
  • Thanks for making my point. Proud Blade(VIP) 09:35:44 7/25/2000 (4)
    • Re: Thanks for making my point. Paladin 11:28:23 7/25/2000 (3)
      • Shok, I really hope you weren't the one that empowered this guy ;) j/k n/t T ot W 12:58:42 7/25/2000 (2)
        • so do I...so do I...(n/t) Shokai(IMM) 14:19:14 7/25/2000 (1)
          • You weren't, it's painfully obvious who as this paladin could be (no one else is this statistically anal retentive..not meant as an actual insult btw) N/T Graham 00:31:42 7/26/2000 (0)
  • Even with Boneshatter perfected, I had it miss all the time. Usually when I needed it most :P n/t Ioanis 04:25:16 7/25/2000 (0)
  • What are you smoking, NO WAY Boneshatter works 99% sorry. 3 time Mace Spec 04:12:31 7/25/2000 (4)
    • RE: Mine worked often about 95%, and the affects of boneshatter worked 100% on each hit. MoFo Man 05:40:39 7/25/2000 (3)
      • Umm if you boneshatter, the effects always happen. n/t Three time Mace spec 06:18:24 7/25/2000 (0)
      • Umm if you boneshatter, the effects always happen. n/t Three time Mace spec 06:18:13 7/25/2000 (0)
      • hrrrm Asa 06:04:40 7/25/2000 (0)

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