Posted by Sebeok(IMM) on July 26, 2000 at 18:35:06:

In Reply to: Heh... My phoenix fire ===OBLITERATES=== me :( (some text) posted by Uli on July 26, 2000 at 15:54:34:

> Brr, it's very inconvenient to quote your long lines, so I'll just write from scratch.
> Also, excuse my English, I can't be as expressive as you are(though I'd like to).)

> Shokai, for you it doen't matter what the original post was
> about. You just have some text about roleplaying/rules/
> pk/etc., and paste it everywhere with little changes, no matter
> what you respond to. You see enemys around every corner.

> Hey, lad, I'm not your enemy!!!!

> We are speaking about different things. That's what
> I want to say. Main point of my message was that bashing
> SMUG people on forum doesn't make any good. In some
> cases it can just make them angry (if they care), and nothing more.
> By no means it can change their view of the world and the game.
> Do you agree with THAT?

Uh.. sure. I don't claim to know what
view of the game or purpose in playing
anyone other than myself has.

> As for their opinions being close to truth... Well, all of
> us say something they later wish they didn't say, right?
> I just meant, what Arolin says, sometimes look reasonable.
> What you say, also sometimes look reasonable.
> The other man can say, that what you say and what Arolin says
> cannot be reasonable at the same time. And this saying will also
> look reasonable. I just can't believe they are that bad, that's all.

They are.. worse, actually.

> What now? I'll tell you what now... Yagar and Shannagen were deleted
> for sharing information. I can't say Shannagen's rp was
> something exceptional, but at least it was ok for a master
> necromancer. And he didn't look that bloodthirsty, you know.
> Yagar... well... he didn't killed everybody on sight. And people
> from SMUG were not the only exception.

I think enough has been said on the above
subject.

> People who are allowed to do that without punishment are, of course,
> immortals.

Of course.. immortals only play pk-only
characters. Read below.

> Now tell me: in the case of Nepenthe and Istendil, wasn't there
> any "sharing information between characters"?
> I'm sure it is not needed to go anywhere when you can just
> grep through the sources to find the quest item.
> Of course, Istendil was cool and bla bla bla, but the rule
> violation is obvious, isn't it?

I think Nepenthe covered this one adequately.

> I'm not sure whether agentXXX was right about Sebeok and
> Mendeiron. If yes, this is the example of imm's pk char.
> If not, excuse me, Sebeok and Mendeiron.

Yeah.. the almighty pk-char, the bard!
Before Mendeiron, could you name a bard that
wasn't used as a whipping boy? Obviously
this was such a powerful combination, we imms
have just been rolling them up left and right
to abuse their great power! Here's a nickel,
buy a fucking clue.

> Another exmple of pure pk imm char was Yaethle, I think.

All bow down to the great pure-pk-power of
the felar a-p! There must be 25 felar a-ps
on right now, all levelling up for the great
pk-prowess. Are you really this stupid?

> This was already discussed not once, so I'll repeat it briefly.
> If you set some rules, be the first person to follow these rules.
> Otherwise they are shit.

I've yet to read about any rules infraction,
and I agree.

> You may think, that, as immortals keep the mud running, they
> have right to get small bonuses from it. I can't agree.

If you mean quest forms or skills or whatever
as small bonuses, I can't agree either. We
don't deserve bonuses for our mortal chars
for keeping the mud, and I've yet to see an
instance of this in your post.

> Do they spend more time on it than mortal players?
> Obviously not.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

> Do they do their job better than some other people could,
> which they call unworthy?
> We don't know, since we can't check it on practice.

If people are worthy, they are given a
chance to prove it.

> Do they love mud more than other people playing it?
> No, no, NO!

Depends.

> So tell me Shokai, what do you do when you see higher imm
> ... eh ... acting not exactly within the rules?
> I'll tell you. You keep silence. And Arolin is the target
> you cannot miss shooting at.

When I and when other imms see other imms
breaking rules, we take it up with the
Implementors. There's been cases of this
happening.

> "But I digress again..."
> Nepenthe/Istendil

A last note.. fuck you.
Go play somewhere else if you think we're
so awful. You won't be missed.

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