Posted by Radakh on August 16, 2000 at 06:24:21:
In Reply to: Re: Wish list of things I'd like to see changed concerning combat. posted by Desert Rose on August 15, 2000 at 14:38:04:
> > > Sword: Get rid of flourintine. > > Have a two handed school of swordplay > > Change flurry so that there's a chance for the defender to deal > > Axe: Get rid of hook and add a spec similar to jab only using the end of the haft. > > Dagger: Make some of the skills usable in the offhand and make it's parrying ability almost nothing. > > > Flail: Get rid of choke and pull. Give them some form of attack where they whirl the flail, striking > > Polearm: Get rid of charge and chargeset. > > Armor: Wearing plate, chain, leather etc... should actually mean something in terms of protection and mobility. Scottish claymore? Ok weighs about 12 lbs and was used mainly as a weapon against horses. Go carry one around for > there may not be a Human alive that could wield a sword weighing twenty five pounds (doubtful), but Sure there is. An actual hit depending on where you got hit will not kill you right off. As far as dodging >Also, "Back in the day", Humans were much more able bodied than the pasty white flabby bastards we've become. > > or an axe weighing 35+ lbs. Giants are a different matter of course. That's something I'd like to see. I'd give you one swing even with two hands. >
> > New skill called offhand fighting that when perfected allowed some of the simpler
> > specs to be done with weapons in the offhand
> No
Any reason?
> Why, dear God Why? Is the crack affecting your mind as well as your penis?
Go fight someone using two swords. Your defense won't increase, but your offense
will.
> They're call paladins.
And the reason I want to go through the empowerment process is???
> > damage to the one flurrying and drop the lag down to two rounds.
> No. Like I said, Weed = ok, Crack = Bad. Even a Gnome Warrior Flurrying Every
> Two rounds would be insane.
Flurry as far as I know is a rush upon the opponent while throwing as many
blows as possible. That means it's fairly uncontrolled and must be done
fairly close to the opponent which would bring you within striking range, allowing
them to strike back, perhaps with a risposte.
> > Get rid of doublethrust and go with some form of a slashing attack as most swords
> > were used as slashing weapons.
> Not a bad idea- Make it jab, though.
> > An attack similar to boneshatter which causes bleeding since the axe does as much
> > internal damage as external when it connects.
> No, No and No. Do you *really* want to be anally raped by axe specs even more than
> you are already?
I know they're a bit rough already, but just a couple things to add to realism.
> > Split up staff and spear and make each a spec:
> Why? They're the same weapon except one has a pointy end.
> If anything, split up Whip and flail.
> > Staff: Get rid of spin and give them enhanced parrying ability.
> What the hell do you think Spin is?
> > Give them smashing type
> > attacks which can break kneecaps, elbows and hands and feet.
> Not a bad idea, but impale is good enough.
> > Spear: Pretty much keep all the specs except spin and give them a something similar to distance.
> Do you even play CF? Defensive Spin = Distance w/o the advent of a polearm.
Yeah go ahead and spin your staff or spear around. I'll take my shield and shove that staff back into
you while I stick my sword through ya, all the while laughing at your attempt to spin.
> You can't find a no-rem dagger? Is it that hard son? And daggers parrying ability *IS* almost nothing.
Sure I can find one, but shoving a dagger into someone really doesn't require your on side hand to do.
> > Whip: Less parrying than the dagger which means zero.
> Your wish has been granted.
Good. Haven't tried a whip spec.
> > possibly more than one target, including themselves and groupmates.
> Not a bad idea, I suppose. But have you been choked and pulled to death lately? Didn't think so.
Try wrapping a flail around someone. There's not enough chain. If the chain's that long that you
can choke and pull then have a great time trying to use the thing.
> **** WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON??? ***** Is it prescription or can I get some over the counter?
Considering if I'm fighting you one on one and you set your pole against me I'll step around it
and beat you to a pulp while you're trying to figure out why I didn't impale myself on it.
Oh and as for charge. Err we're standing like right next to each other. Not that tough to get
the hell out of the way while you come running at me like something out of quest for the holy grail.
> > Shield use: Bashing techniques. It should be the best spec for defense.
> Actually not a bad idea.
> Agreed
> > Plate should be hard to find and should offer excellent protection against most weapons. Chain should be easier
> > to find and offer protection against slashing and thrusting, but offers little against crushing. Leather should
> > be easiest to find and should offer minimal protection against thrusting and slashing. It should offer little
> > protection against crushing.
> Agreed again
> > Weapon and armor weights: Need to be looked at as there isn't a human alive who can use a sword that weighs 25lbs
> Have you ever seen a Scottish Claymore? It's not made of plastic, I'll tell you that much.
awhile and tell me you'd want a weapon twice that weight hanging from your back.
> neither is there a human alive that could survive a direct axe blow and continue fighting/dodging/parrying.
parrying and such, how do you think they fought against the axe in the first place? It's a heavy, strangely
weighted weapon to start with and isn't too easy to use.
Mmm not really. Most romans were quite a bit smaller than everyone else. Considering the lack of food and poor
conditions I seriously doubt they all were hulking giants.
> Yes they are. And Humans could wield an axe weighing 35 pounds
That's all you'd last because the weight would throw you off and you wouldn't
recover fast enough. I could go get a hotdog and coke and still have enough time
to stab ya before you dragged that axe up again to swing at me.
> > Armor and weapon size: One possibilty for using size factors in armor and weapons might be to make the smiths able
> > to resize them for a fee.
> Very good idea.