Posted by Swist on August 29, 2000 at 21:50:18:
In Reply to: Empire vs. other cabals posted by Rune(VIP) on August 28, 2000 at 22:23:53:
I am sorry I did not put it more clear. > You can't compare Empire with the other cabals power wise. > And again, I will pull out the famous pendulum argument... > Yes, but you can just stay away, if you are in danger of losing. The Empire doesn't expect honor or courage of it's members. > I don't get this part... Watched by who? Immortals? If so, how do you know and why is it so bad, they haven't anathemaed you yet? > If this is true, they can't be that overpowered, right? > Indeed, and remember that flurry isn't a ragerpower... Any imperial blade can get flurry if he is a warrior and picks the right spec. Furthermore it can't be DBed. > > What annoyes me a lot what such offensive power as deathblow comes for free. > Now, this is where I totally disagree. How can you say citizens sacrifice the same a ragers!? Ragers can't use magic, they can't gangbang and they are supposed to show courage, which means they have to at least try once or twice to get the bloody head if someone holds it. Now, ragers may be buff, when they have their powers, but do you know how ridiculously easy it is to slaughter them when they are without? Plenty of ragers have died 10 times a night just to try to retrieve against insane odds. In the mean time you as a citizen can just sit in Trothon and spam spells, if you have no powers and the odds are bad. > The Empire basically don't place any restrictions on the citizens, other than they have to act evil. This can be hard, since most of us are decent guys in the real world. And the punishment is harsh, if you fail. > > Sylvan. > > They have good powers but big drawbacks. > > Just make so it would be impossible to summon somebody into wall of thorns (like centurions now). > Actually this idea I like. And I don't understand why it hasn't been this way all the time. It make sense, that if there is a huge wall of thorns, you would be able to see it. > > Marans > The Marans have one power, that can easily be countered by anyone but evil ragers. Surely that isn't overpowered. Even the Empire powers are stronger than this. > My last point - If you think ragers are so overpowered, try to play one for yourself and I am sure you will soon change your opinion. There is a reason most ragers con-die. Well I meant in conditions I've described DBlow overweights everything else from my side I can offer. I hope it clears some misunderstanding.
Well. I am not comparing or compaining. Just stating fact.
I know it. Only problem most luckily I would not be there then it would happend.
Uh. I was exploiting run_away part a lot.
I am sorry. I meant clayvoiance conjurers use to track me down or catch me in half health to gaunt.
Well... I guess so but it takes a lot of patience and knowledge from my side and 5 seconds of prepartions from other.
> > Surely unparried disblow can end up the fight. Or flurry with 8 attacks.
> > Still you can kill clearly superior opponent if you are smart. Or at least beat him up so he flees.
I am not complaining about flurry or saying it was only rager power.
Just poining it can be troublesome and sometimes hard to avoid.
> > With no drawbacks besides beeing in village.
> > I know it is huge drawback but Empire has about the same as well.
I did not say ragers were overpowered. My point what Dblow comes with no cost besides beeing BattleRager, Hater of Magic.
Most good cabal powers (for any cabal) have known counters for them. Can you tell me one against Dblow besides ganbang ? Protections does not totaly cover it.
Huh ? Any cabal put restrictions on you. This is price you pay for it's powers.
> > They are pretty much non-existant right now. Save for Flontinot.
> Did you say you play an Empire? Whenever I log in there seems to be at least 3 sylvans in my range... I would hardly call that nonexistant.
I know there are like 5 hero/near_hero sylvans. I just never encounter them even if I see some of them are on.
> I don't really see any big drawbacks to being a sylvan at all.
Believe me they do. Read help sylvan again. // sorry for insult
> > And also make so you would be able to scan-see wall of thorns from the distance (like plant growth).
Uh thanks.
> > Shokai : Make them into cabal and give them item.
> > Your tattoo powers are way overhead agaist evils.
> > Make them cabal powers so they can be stripped by raiding.
> > //I think it will actually diminish Maran's strength but bring you more people.
Surely some powers are more powerful then Maran's. I do not deny.
May be I just do not know counter vs phoenix fire. Can you point me to one ?
So far it is my weak spot.
I do not think they they are overpowered solemly because they are.
Paradox, is not it ?
Other than that ? No