Posted by Anti-Lich on October 20, 2000 at 06:22:21:
In Reply to: Well.... posted by The Arcane(VIP) on October 20, 2000 at 05:52:22:
> You are confusing ritual of abominations and ritual of cannibalia. Thank you. I ment the one that gives them back lost CON > At least two liches have had the latter and not been immortals. Probably were cosidered "elite" players though, but point made. > It is simply not true that only immortals can complete the lich quests. A lot of non-immortals have completed lich quests. Istendil and Golmagus are two out of many more than two. Not to brag or anything, but I've yet to hear a lich quest that I didn't know 3 (or 4) of the 4 items for. And that's just off the top of my head. Granted, there's so many new areas now that I'd probably be seriously stumped by one issued today, but that's a product of my not having played seriously in months. I don't think I suggested that, though I did for the CON regaining ritual, it's just that Lichs make elites much, much worse, i.e. Tiger Woods with a 10 stroke penalty. > I'm not going to start listing phylactery effects, but suffice it to say that there's one phylactery in particular that I believe is seriously unbalanced, and magnifies the snowball effect that is entailed in general phylactery-gathering hundredfold. One other phylactery is also flawed in its design, and I don't understand what the imms were thinking when they added it (it wasn't one of the initial ones implemented). *nod* > As it stands now, to be killed, Zorszaul has to be lagged out for the entirety of the fight, such that he cannot get a single command through (as Istendil was). If liches couldn't be earthbound back when Istendil fought the Empire, he'd have lived, no question about it. *nod* > I can put together in my head a group of reasonable size that could kill Zorszaul under the right conditions, and assuming that they made no mistakes (and assuming they had a little bit of luck). Zorszaul's at least as clever a player as I am, and he knows his own abilities better than I do, and I'm sure he has a (very short) list of situations jotted down somewhere, on paper or in his head, in which he could die. He won't walk into those situations. *nod* I also feel that a Lich can make a mistake and live, even win. You make ONE mistake, and you die thus iroically making the more kowledgable and powerful player work less and the weaker one work harder > I think liches should be toned down slightly, personally, but I know some imms disagree and have designed them to be overpowered. Not sayig that they shouldn't be strong, but it gets a little ridiculous when Zorzual keeps his WANTED flag for months, Istedil gets 300+ PK wins and fewer than 10 losses, ect.