Booooo! Unkillable Shopkeepers!

Booooo! Unkillable Shopkeepers!:
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Posted by Proud Blade(VIP) on November 2, 2000 at 13:41:26:

In Reply to: A question for Imms about shopkeepers. posted by (and selling them stuff.) on November 2, 2000 at 12:13:48:

Unkillable shopkeepers bug me. I understand the game balance reason for their existence. (Certain pills, wands, etc. from far-off places could be nasty if acquired in mass quantities.) However, I think they are implemented in a poor and unrealistic fashion.

If I was so powerful that a dozen of Thera's finest couldn't put a scratch in me, would I enter the return potion market?

Other solution: Switch them over to the type of code used in Basilica, Eryn Galen, and the like: Have the shopkeeper himself be a reasonably tough guy, but who can call guards (or whatever is appropriate for the area) to back himself up when needed. Surely, with all the money that return potion man is making, he can afford some hired muscle, or at least the protection of the law. Make them a really big pain to kill, but not impossible for the truly determined and clever.

Other other solution: Make attacking/stealing from shoppies illegal in protected areas. What self-respecting Arbiter can permit Joe Rager to ransack Galadon's economy? Expand the "tell the Arbiter" code that shoppies use when criminals visit to include attacks on their person.

Nitpicky? Probably.

> There are all kinds of wands and potions and such that you can find
> around the mud that have a non-zero value. Some that aren't well
> known are worth a good deal of gold. But, if you take these to many
> of the potion/wand shoppies, they won't buy them. Not that they don't
> have the money to do it, they just "look uninterested" in them. I've
> noticed this the most in Galadon. I can sell several things in Seantryn
> Modan that I can't in Galadon.

> I'd like to see this change. Especially at lower levels, when finding enough
> gold for potions is pretty difficult, I think it'd be a good reward for people
> who explore a bit and find little-known magical things. Shops will only buy one
> of any item, so it's not like a player could instantly earn a fortune selling some
> easy to get potion over and over. I'd much rather see people selling things to the
> apothecary in galadon then some level 30 thief stealing 200k each attempt. I don't
> think people selling more things would make it too easy to find the nicer items either.
> Some of the best are no_locate, and locating an item certainly doesn't make finding it
> effortless.

> I'd like to see it be impossible to steal gold from shoppies like that regardless.
> I we can't kill it, why can we rob it?

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Comments:	> Unkillable shopkeepers bug me. I understand the game balance reason for their existence. (Certain pills, wands, etc. from far-off places could be nasty if acquired in mass quantities.) However, I think they are implemented in a poor and unrealistic fashion. > If I was so powerful that a dozen of Thera's finest couldn't put a scratch in me, would I enter the return potion market? > Other solution: Switch them over to the type of code used in Basilica, Eryn Galen, and the like: Have the shopkeeper himself be a reasonably tough guy, but who can call guards (or whatever is appropriate for the area) to back himself up when needed. Surely, with all the money that return potion man is making, he can afford some hired muscle, or at least the protection of the law. Make them a really big pain to kill, but not impossible for the truly determined and clever. > Other other solution: Make attacking/stealing from shoppies illegal in protected areas. What self-respecting Arbiter can permit Joe Rager to ransack Galadon's economy? Expand the "tell the Arbiter" code that shoppies use when criminals visit to include attacks on their person. > Nitpicky? Probably. > > > There are all kinds of wands and potions and such that you can find > > around the mud that have a non-zero value. Some that aren't well > > known are worth a good deal of gold. But, if you take these to many > > of the potion/wand shoppies, they won't buy them. Not that they don't > > have the money to do it, they just "look uninterested" in them. I've > > noticed this the most in Galadon. I can sell several things in Seantryn > > Modan that I can't in Galadon. > > I'd like to see this change. Especially at lower levels, when finding enough > > gold for potions is pretty difficult, I think it'd be a good reward for people > > who explore a bit and find little-known magical things. Shops will only buy one > > of any item, so it's not like a player could instantly earn a fortune selling some > > easy to get potion over and over. I'd much rather see people selling things to the > > apothecary in galadon then some level 30 thief stealing 200k each attempt. I don't > > think people selling more things would make it too easy to find the nicer items either. > > Some of the best are no_locate, and locating an item certainly doesn't make finding it > > effortless. > > I'd like to see it be impossible to steal gold from shoppies like that regardless. > > I we can't kill it, why can we rob it?

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