Posted by Umguy on November 3, 2000 at 09:06:09:
In Reply to: Response to Umguy's post in the thread further down...(text) posted by Joshu on November 3, 2000 at 08:36:22:
Before you posted this, I was thinking "damn fucking Joshu fucking asshole god damn...." now I'm just thinking *sigh* why DO I read this crap? > Sebeok hasn't posted for 2 weeks. This is a fact. Unless he's lying to me, which I doubt he would do. > Fine, I will take your word for it. I believe you wouldn't lie to me. Yeehaw. > I remember when I asked you if Eriwal was played by Cador and if the party that reached Satan the first time was made up of Immortals. Rather than stating that NO, cador didn't play eriwal you resorted to word-games to tiptoe around the subject. That to me shows the lengths you'd go to, to avoid outright lying. And more power to you for that. What mortals other imms play was not then, nor will it ever be, my place to reveal. Ever. My own are my own, and I'll reveal them if I like. > I never said you did, and I don't think you did. Yeehaw. > I don't. I really really don't. I have faith in humanity, and I believe that at least 90% of the 37 immortals currently on staff does a fantastic job with no cheating or questionable actions. Yeehaw. > BUT I also am totally convinced that certain information spill over from the immortals to their mortal characters, stuff like who has what unique pieces of equipment or stuff like solutions to certain quests and such. And I probably would be fine with all that, if it wasn't for the fact that certain Immortals constantly deny that is happening, and paint people like Thinhallen, Arcane and myself as lying zealots who are only out to hurt them. If you can find concrete examples of when I haven't told the truth about the Imm-staff I'd be happy to retract them and apologize. I too put a great value on speaking the truth. I'll never ever deny that as an Imm, I have more knowledge of some things than mortals do. Never have denied it, never will deny it. What I (and other imms) have a problem with is the assertion that we use this knowledge unfairly. Sometimes, knowledge of that sort comes back to bite me in the ass. Sometimes, knowledge of that sort would be really really valuable. But I can't use it. Because I can't (and don't) use that sort of information, I come to expect and hope that others don't as well. By others, I don't mean other imms. I mean others as in people who read a log on this board and then realize that Joe the felar warrior has the titanium spear, and thereby don't try to weaponbreak it. You and Thinhallen and The Arcane can talk all you want about the info we have, but to tell the truth, more often than not, you guys are more well informed than I am about most things of that nature, via IRC/ICQ. > The original post asked a valid question, regardless of ulterior motives. The problem is people like you (and The Arcane) like to use this forum to attack the Imm staff and CF in general, but don't like it when the tables are turned. You take very much offense that you might be called a hypocrite, or when someone questions whether YOU have ulterior motives. > What are my ulterior motives? I don't work for a competing mud if that's what you're getting at. So do you still play and enjoy CF? > > Oh, boohoo. Zepachu's a big boy, he can answer for himself. He and I have a good feud going, and if I see the opportunity to put in a stab at him into my post to spice up my language, I'm gonna. Chump or no chump. I've been the first to tell Zepachu he's wrong and such (do a forum search for Umguy and half the time you'll see Zepachu's post above it). My point was, you were again redirecting the thread from the initial point (why come here and bitch if you don't even play anymore?) to a flame-fest. > > Alright, if you say so. I don't have all the information available to me. I can't see LfA's IP no. and I certainly don't know Sebeok's. What I do see though is: > As I said, he hasn't fucking read/posted here in 2 weeks. Suddenly posting "it wasn't me" wouldn't prove anything to the Arcane, as he's adamantly (wrong) sure that it was Sebeok. > Let me tell you a little something, Joshu. At work, I always have posted as something other than Balgrimnr. I only post as Balg from home. Why? Because up until a week ago, I was under the impression that VIP's had access to IP's. Remember my lamentation to you, about 2 years ago, on IRC? When you suggested I use anonymizer (sp)? You don't like the fact that I use an alias? Too bad. I like to post logs of my mortals sometimes. Some of them still living. I like to post my views as being separate from those on the Imm staff sometimes. I had no proof about the thread except Sebeok's word, so I did a really REALLY quick look and saw that the Arcane's reasoning for saying the post was Sebeok's was a load of crap. > Good thing it's private, eh? :P > My strange issues aside, why do YOU read, Joshu? Do you play chars anymore? Do you like to play CF? If so, great, that answers the question quite nicely. If not...you're probably more sad than I am. > *shrug* It's entertainment, what can I say? I don't feel the need to analyze my motives for everything that I do, and the good old "oh, you're so sad and such a nerd because you play with computers/post on a forum/reads ancient greek in your spare time/whatever" doesn't really bite on me anymore. I've heard it a thousand times already. And if you feel your life is so much better than mine, then good for you. Actually, if you read what I wrote, I admitted that my reading of this forum is pretty sad (I feel a migraine coming on). My only comment is that if you don't play anymore and yet still come here to berate the Imm staff, then you are sad too, and to a greater degree than I am. Calling you a nerd? Give me a break. When I get off work I'm going to go home and play Wing Commander on my PC. I don't call anyone a geek, except as a compliment :P > Alright already! > IF it turns out that Sebeok lied to you later on, I won't hold that against you. Yeah. Well. It won't turn out that way. > "Methinks the lady doth protest too much" > -Shakespeare, Hamlet III:2 "All other tropical storms must bow before the might of...EL NINO!" -Chris Farley, SNL Weather Channel skit
> I myself also did not start the thread. The Arcane can probably verify that by checking the fact that my ...'s are always in threes, or some shit like that.
> If you wish to lump all of the Imms into the "cheating bastard" group
> You don't want to answer the valid question? Fine. Nice how you decide to throw stones at Zepachu as your reason why not. Again, you turn the attention from yourself by attacking others. But if you don't want to answer the question, don't stick your nose into it further down the line. It makes you look like (to borrow from Pumpkin Man) a chump.
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> As for your second to last point: The Arcane is wrong. I can tell you that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Why? Because I asked Sebeok. He HEARD about the thread, as he hasn't even been reading this board, from another Imm. He doesn't post or read here anymore. I don't blame him. I'm not going to make some vague threat about me leaving as well, as I doubt you'd care, and I doubt I could keep to it. At work, I sit here and read these posts that give me ulcers, because I get bored and have nothing better to do. Unhealthy? Probably. But then I see a post by someone who actually seems to enjoy CF, and it makes it somewhat worthwhile. Let's face it though, I'd probably read even without those.
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> Oh and one last time. Unless Sebeok lied to me (why would he lie to me?) this thread was NOT started by him. End of story.