Posted by Braerus(IMM) on November 3, 2000 at 10:51:22:
In Reply to: Repost (first one accidentally deleted) - question for you. posted by TotW(VIP) on November 3, 2000 at 10:07:11:
> > > No one said for anyone to avoid making a uniquely rped character that wasn't in a cabal. If I remember correctly the original post was vaguely asking for how he or some mortal could create a cabal. There's not a prescribed way to do this, because it's not something that happens. > Maybe I was playing the game in some sort of delusion, but I distinctly remember Shokai saying about a year ago that: > "If the Knight cabal ever came to exist again, it wouldn't appear out of nowhere. There would have to be some decent players playing the role of the Knight cabal to illustrate its usefullness and purpose and ability to thrive." (paraphrased, I know Shok doesn't talk that way). > If I misunderstood that players can actually have an impact on Immortal consciousness/involvement re: new cabal through actually roleplaying (as opposed to forum/email suggestion), then please tell me. honestly. Because personally, I always thought the best way to get ideas across in CF was through roleplaying in the actual game, as opposed to OOC methods of suggestion. *I'm sure he might have said this. It's a little different because that would be bringing back an old cabal as opposed to making a new one. Certainly in character roleplay is the only way to go. > > > > > > This, I said. > > > > > Um, that cabal exists because an immortal planned it and implemented it. It's not an example of a cabal started my mortals where an immortal was later brought into it for support. > > Also, the nature of the Cult made it so that members could not join any existing cabals - meaning, the cult stood on its own merits as a cabal-like institution. > Maybe I was mistaken, but from my viewpoint, this dedicated mortal interest encouraged Sacer to put the cabal into place. *Well, turning it into a cabal was Scar's idea all along. In fact, I just wanted to immort Braerus and Scarabaeus said something, IC, like 'Build me a cabal first.' So, certainly there was mortal involvement but the seed was planted by the immortal. *Absolutly no reason not to do this. I'm just trying to explain that there is no "way" to create a cabal as a mortal. > Now - are you saying that starting a cabal this way is *Impossible*? Or simply just very very improbable/unprecedentated? *Never say never. Never say impossible. Always say improbable instead. Atleast that's what it says here in my how to be an immortal handbook. Side Note: I think we're probably coming from different points of view. You're right in not trying to discourage roleplaying a unique character, and I never meant to imply that. I just remember earlier that there were big groups of buddies with very, very loose guidelines calling themselves this or that gang (shooting to be made a cabal). Adding a cabal (and I'm talking cabal area, item, cb channel), is not something to be taken lightly. There's balancing, powers, and thinking about how it will mesh with the existing cabals. These gangs were hard to take seriously IC, and then they'd send a note to immortal with something like, 'ok make us a cabal now...here's me email address so we can se things up' as if that happened all the time.
> Meaning, if I gathered a group of ten or so very competent people and acted as though a cabal existed, it might catch the attention of a supporting Immortal - and that this method was preferable to email/forum suggestion (and added more to the game, to boot).
> > > > Just don't be disappointed if you "fail". "Failure" meaning that your "cabal" dies with your character's death or inability to log in.
> I didn't mean to sound critical of you, despite my title to "ignore the Immortal". I just wanted to give this guy some encouragement. I know there's alot of resentment going on this board right now, but I'm not intending to include myself in it, here.
*Salright, I wasn't actually offended and you're right...I might certainly be a little trigger happy on the sarcasm with the board looking like it does.
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> > > > And also note that it would be completely necessary to get Immortal support/interest/involvement for your "cabal" to exist as part of the code (obviously). The best example of this is the Scarab, with little mortal involvement, but still pushing through as a result of intense Immortal involvement.
> Well, here's my thought: Was it just the Scarab, or was it the initial interest in the Cult. Once Sacer began giving titles to morts a la "initiate of the scarab" mortal interest in the Cult increased (seemingly) dramatically. Suddenly everyone was wondering: "Do they have a cabal channel?" "Do they have special powers that Sacer gives them?" "Are they now like a cabal??"
> So - what I am saying is, why not try? Why not attempt to build a cabal from the ground (mortal involvement) up? It does not seem so remotely removed from reason that if a supportive Immortal saw a group of competent players acting as though a cabal already existed, s/he might work to bring that cabal into existence. Personally, I've tried this with a couple of characters, myself - like I said, I expect disappointment/obstacles, but I would never advise someone to allow that to dissuade them. And there is some small reward.