Posted by Forsquillus on March 15, 2000 at 09:58:39:

In Reply to: My perspective. posted by Pikel on March 15, 2000 at 06:44:39:

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> True, Pikel was raiding with them. However, Pikel did not arrive until AFTER Thalantyr had assisted Pyrrnic against Qeli and Asihara (neither of whom were wanted at the time) with his guards.

If I am not mistaken(and i might be I will admit) The reason the guards and thalantyr were drawn in was an area spell by Asihara.

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> the fact that Qeli rescued Pikel,
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> Again, true...However, Qeli rescued Pikel from the Archmage when no one else was at the pinacle but a couple of lowbie masters. Qeli did not at any time rescue Pikel from special guards.

Once again, one character rescues someone wanted, that is aid, and is a crime. Has nothing to do with the guards or a pk situation.


> This is totally incorrect. First off, Pikel was never blinded in that raid to my recollection. Second, if he was blind he could just cure it himself rather than deal with all his supp's getting cancelled.

Ok, it was Qeli that asked for cancellation, but it is true that he shifted to porcy pig and aided you in killing the archmage...once again, aiding a criminal=crime

> No, Pikel wasn't shielded that I recall, Pikel came in mid-raid, and was attempting to avoid getting Asihara flagged for shielding him.

My bad, i had assumed, but even so, he did help you raid...read above

> Last I'd heard Arbiters weren't supposed to interfere in other cabals' politics. So my question is what in the hell was an Arbiter doing there with guards when there was no criminal raiding? And why were said guards assisting a Master against a Sylvan that was not wanted?

There was reports on the Master cb that you approached the tower, this was probably relayed to the arbies, and thalantyr was well within her duties to be waiting for you at a place where there was GREAT reason to beleive you would show up. That has nothing to do with not wanting the sylvans to take the orb, it has to do with thinking where a criminal will be, and being there first.

> And if you're going to accuse Asihara of lying in a log, I'd like to see some proof that hes done so.


I did not save the log, but look at what he said.

"There was no criminal present"
He then commenced to show a log of about 40 seconds time length of a raid that lasted well over 7 mins. Choosing a portion of the log where you were not there.
Thus by putting forward his ommitive log as the whole truth to support the "fact" that you werent there, is a lie of ommission.

Follow Ups:

• I just showed you beginning of the fight. I was hit by scourge, and arbiter assister Pyrrnic (or whatever is his name), and his guards assisted me too. Or you think Qeli have area spells too? (nt) Asihara 20:29:50 3/15/2000 (0)
• Hrm.... Pikel 10:57:51 3/15/2000 (4)
  • hmmm semi long Grallon 12:51:22 3/15/2000 (3)
    • I'll leave it at this. Pikel 13:51:40 3/15/2000 (2)
      • heh Grallon 14:06:20 3/15/2000 (1)
        • Listen. Pikel 14:19:14 3/15/2000 (0)
• Three things I notice and comment on uninvited: Khiravn 10:42:08 3/15/2000 (6)
  • reason Asihara 20:37:03 3/15/2000 (0)
  • Wrong, Calyldor was uninducted for misuse of Guards. n/t Grallon 12:34:18 3/15/2000 (3)
    • How about the fact that you flagged me for attacking you, in the wilderness, with no guards (text) Gergran 21:29:34 3/15/2000 (0)
    • What? where was Calyldor mentioned? NT Pikel 12:44:47 3/15/2000 (1)
      • He said that even tho he did something wrong, he had seen people like golmagus do things wrong and have nothing happen to them, I said if someone does something wrong in "Grallon's" Hall, they will be delt with...nt Grallon 13:18:12 3/15/2000 (0)
  • Four. This is why arbiters are shite Graham 12:22:09 3/15/2000 (0)

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