Posted by Someone who really likes the new rough and tumble Empire. on May 12, 2000 at 08:17:13:
In Reply to: Re: The Immortal hardly has to respond here, and in any case I'm all for further seperation of the Sects like this (text.) posted by Graatch(VIP) on May 12, 2000 at 07:47:10:
Cabal Leadership always starts with the Immortals, then down from there. Bria, Boltthrower, Pico, Raisa, etc. all do way more uninducting then their Mortal leaders. That's the way things work, Cabals are run by Immortals as well as Mortals, and if anathing was left to the Mortals it wouldn't happen nearly often enough to make up for the easy entrance process and you'd have people breaking the laws all the time because they would never get caught.
A great deal of the betrayal of the Imperial Law/Battlerager Code/Laws of Thera happen when no Mortals are around to witness it and specifically not when the Mortal Leaders are standing right there. So aside from the fact that all CF precident points to having Immortals do the majority of the uninducting, it simply isn't feasible to have only mortals anath.
Further, if the Emperor is a mean, scheming person who should anath at a whim, the Immortals of Empire should be that much meaner and more scheming since they all came from the meanest, nastiest, most successful Imperial Citizens to get to their place.
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> If a sectleader or emperor had anath'd them, I bet there would be far, far less anger about this, and likely not even a peep...
Player paranoia about the Immortal Conspiracy should be the last thing that should bring about change in the game. There would be no Immortals at all if various mortals had their way. Some group hates just about every Imm out there, so if they worried at all about Player Opinion the game would fall apart.
>>While it may not be quantifyably different, it is enough that it *feels* different when it's done by an Imm, and that it changes from Imm to Imm so there isn't even some consistency there, in that smaller sample.
If you can feel the difference, then you should be able to figure out who is anathing you so it shouldn't matter if they are Wizi or not. In any case, I imagine that part of the reason that they anath while Wizi instead of Vis is to stop personal attacks from people and to try and create a feeling that you never know who is watching you when, so you'd better be on your toes at all time. Big Brother watching is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to keep people in line with the Cabal Laws of any of the various cabals out there.
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> Let the Mortals do the anathing. You complain there are no mortals to do it? Well that's because you haven't made anyone sectleader and emperor. You complain that nobody is good enough? Too bad, the game has the players it has...
First of all, I'm not complaining that there are no mortals to do it, but I would absolutely prefer to have no Emperor at all rather than a weak one. The Emperor should always be a badass who commands respect, no matter what. Sect Leaders can be weaker, but should still be able to command respect. All Mortal Cabal leaders should command respect, and if there is no one to fill the role, the Imms should take over. Further, you complain about the way the Immortals act? To bad, the game has the Immortals it has, deal with it.
Also, the main reason Rome eventually fell is because they had incompitent Emperors who hung onto the power when they weren't strong enough to lead... If Empire wants to succeed they should ignore your "historical advice."