Posted by Nepenthe(IMM) on August 17, 2000 at 12:34:27:
In Reply to: As Macheath goes, so shall I. posted by Graatch(VIP) on August 17, 2000 at 09:01:51:
> I no longer play cf. But like Macheath, I'll be on the forum anyway. Let me start by saying I support this decision. It effectively makes all else a moot point. > Much of the imm staff is either cheating, or aware of others breaking the rules and by not doing anything tacitly approving. The game is no longer fun when you are aware of these things. Considering I'm not aware of these things, I'm inclined to call you full of shit. No offense. > I have no doubts that some imm, likely mr. smith, will come here and in his sarcastic manner ask "who is cheating? how?" and simply scoff because I do not offer everything he wants to hear. He, and others there, live in fantasyland where things are so simple and he very much likes to play with words. Feel free to take a field trip to Washington D.C., storm into the House of Representatives (assuming you can get past security) and proclaim loudly, "One of these congressmen is using crack right now! But I uh can't tell you who and I don't want to offer any proof!" If you're taken seriously I'll buy you a slurpee. > Of course, he being one of the cheaters doesn't help any, but that's something else entirely. If you consider messing with you (you being Graatch, not you being the player base at large) cheating I would plead guilty to that. I don't consider it that. It's an attempt to rectify one of the difficulties of the Internet. If you went to the dangerous urban neighborhood of your choice and tried to force your way into a basketball game where you weren't wanted it just wouldn't work. Sure, you could stand on the court and try to steal the ball anyway, but sooner or later you're going to get the crap kicked out of you. Maybe the youths who smacked you around would get arrested, but I don't think there's anyone sane who would defend what you did or not call you an idiot. Many restaurants have signs which read something to the effect of "Management reserves the right to refuse service to ANYONE." CF really can't do that at this stage of the game. Sure, we can get rid of individual characters or even ban sites, but the internet being what it is it's not too hard for a given person to find alternate access, something you've personally demonstrated. What I'm telling you is that as a result of your conduct, if I could have refused service to you, I would have. Since that wasn't possible, I don't really blame anyone who kicks your ass for not getting off the basketball court. > There are also some imms who are not cheaters and rule breakers and blatant abusers of ooc knowledge in their work, and I applaud them. I fear they are in the minority, in the high ranks at least. I'm sure that opinion has nothing to do with your being found unfit to be one. > I detest cyradia as a person, but I have no reason to believe she breaks the rules, for example. The same goes for Astein -- though I like him. I am simply saying I don't know of any improprieties associated with him. I also know that Shokai does not actively cheat, but unfortunately I believe he is aware of things that go on and for lack of sufficient power he either cannot or will not change them, or call out those doing it. By that I mean that he knows that there are 58, 59 and imps doing it and he cannot change them. I think he is in a rock and a hard place because if you cannot change them then integrity requires one to resign, and nobody wants that, especially after so many hours of game play and game work. Still, it goes on and he knows it. You're choosing to point fingers by omission. Allow me a moment to stand in awe of your cleverness. > In any event, I am no longer playing mortals. I leave playing knowing I was elite in roleplaying, and not elite in pk'ing. Not every char was great, some being made for different reasons. But each had good roleplay at least, and those that were important to me were very good. Say what you want, but the proof is in the pudding. Every char but two (out of over 30) that I wanted a tattoo for, received it. Two heroimms (imm'd for roleplaying) and two leaders and various sub-leaders all show that the same imms who don't like me personally have already proven they know my roleplaying ability. Without entering into a pointless argument (pointless because you're clearly not going to yield and I know I'm not) I can't say I completely agree with your high opinion of yourself. Let's agree that in most cases you put a high amount of effort into roleplaying and leave it at that. > I do not plan on returning to #cf on irc. If one of you wants to reclaim it, I am sure it will become available in a week or two as I have not been there in a week already. > I still enjoy reading about the mud though, and so I will still be here and keep up to date. It is quite a good way to take a break during the day at work. > Lastly, when scarabaeus et al. came to irc back in march or april and accused me of having imm information and a leak, because I knew who guerric was playing at the time, I had no imm source. I had not had one since Andaren right after he was booted out, and Jullias and Twist while I was Scaurus and shortly afterwards. Some of your own statements contradict that one. Regardless of whether it was that someone was leaking to you or that you were lying, I don't know. > However, after scarabaeus' disgusting showing on irc that night, not one but two imms started telling me things, and how my chars were being screwed, just as scarabaeus said he would. Both are 56 or under, and I will not reveal their names because it seems they are only two of a small minority who feel just as ashamed and repulsed by what scara and others are doing as I do. But they seem to be growing, and that is my ray of hope. One day perhaps cf will live up to the ideals to which the cheaters claim they aspire. Now, how can I say this without sounding offensive? I don't think I can, so I'll just come out and say that there's something pretty damned hilarious about the things you're alluding to, but if you were smart enough to get it you would have a long time ago. > Maybe then I'll return. I'm sure you are all breathless with anticipation for that day. > Go ahead and flame, I'll read them, but likely wont respond. Especially not to simple mindless insults, which chances are wont survive long anyhow. I'll just close with this. Ignoring for a minute the inevitable arguments that are bound to spring up, I think both you and we will be happier that you don't play. Given that this solution makes everyone happy, I'm all for it.
> I have no knowledge of Galadriel or Boltthrower abusing their power, and the few times I spoke with either leads me to believe they are either unaware of what goes on, or not around often enough to do anything about it. Still, it is troublesome.