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Posted by Graatch(VIP) on August 25, 2000 at 13:07:22:

In Reply to: general comment on master leadership posted by Nepenthe(IMM) on August 25, 2000 at 12:14:58:

People want forseeability. They want to know that in general, x behavior will produce y result. Yes, there is lattitude and wide parameters for what defines x, but it is not the micromanagment of empire that upsets people, it is more specifically the belief that something will be done that produces anathema'ing which before did not, and so as a player they feel they have been screwed.
That is the same philosophy here. The example of Hruptek demonstrates that what was proper doctrine a few weeks ago no longer suffices, and not just that, but is deemed wrong enough to result in uninduction. That hardly seems fair.
Lets think about it in an rp sense. Pretend for the moment that you really are these people/characters. You are a mage, have been for years, and have been part of this group for years. There is no way that all of a sudden, out of the blue, a new system of beliefs and doctrine will just crop up and replace everything you have believed and been taught, literally overnight. You have known these people for all these years, and they you. You have all studied together, fought together, died together, etcetera. Your leader, and sub-leaders, have all espoused similar beliefs -- similar because I agree that there should be creativity and theorizing and 'space' given to those that want to come up with interesting tangents -- and you were admitted and worked on those precepts.
To be held to a different standard, midway through your tenure as a master, and without any roleplaying justification for why there is this sea-change, seems ill-advised to me.

As a player, which I was for almost five years, I know that one of the most important things to me was being able to in basic terms lay out some of the foundations of the character I was rolling. I doubt there is anyone at all out there who has no concept of where to to with their char when it is created. While I think it is the mid-life changes that add spice, there is a need to understand, and be able to foresee, that you can rely on continuing in what you've chosen as long as you don't break one of the given guidelines.

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Zork v Carrion Fields An Immortal(IMM) 10:59:28 8/27/2000 (0)
That's true, Graatch TotW(VIP) 13:25:14 8/25/2000 (3)
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  - A little clarification about Hruptek Jafel 16:02:39 8/25/2000 (0)
- Correct. Graatch(VIP) 13:57:51 8/25/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> People want forseeability. They want to know that in general, x behavior will produce y result. Yes, there is lattitude and wide parameters for what defines x, but it is not the micromanagment of empire that upsets people, it is more specifically the belief that something will be done that produces anathema'ing which before did not, and so as a player they feel they have been screwed. > That is the same philosophy here. The example of Hruptek demonstrates that what was proper doctrine a few weeks ago no longer suffices, and not just that, but is deemed wrong enough to result in uninduction. That hardly seems fair. > Lets think about it in an rp sense. Pretend for the moment that you really are these people/characters. You are a mage, have been for years, and have been part of this group for years. There is no way that all of a sudden, out of the blue, a new system of beliefs and doctrine will just crop up and replace everything you have believed and been taught, literally overnight. You have known these people for all these years, and they you. You have all studied together, fought together, died together, etcetera. Your leader, and sub-leaders, have all espoused similar beliefs -- similar because I agree that there should be creativity and theorizing and 'space' given to those that want to come up with interesting tangents -- and you were admitted and worked on those precepts. > To be held to a different standard, midway through your tenure as a master, and without any roleplaying justification for why there is this sea-change, seems ill-advised to me. > As a player, which I was for almost five years, I know that one of the most important things to me was being able to in basic terms lay out some of the foundations of the character I was rolling. I doubt there is anyone at all out there who has no concept of where to to with their char when it is created. While I think it is the mid-life changes that add spice, there is a need to understand, and be able to foresee, that you can rely on continuing in what you've chosen as long as you don't break one of the given guidelines.

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