Oh brother.. try again hero

Oh brother.. try again hero:
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Posted by The First Apostle on December 14, 2000 at 09:47:51:

In Reply to: Ummm... posted by Macheath(VIP) on December 14, 2000 at 09:31:39:

> Second of all, cabal powers come from cabal items. That's the way it works. That way, if you lose the item, you lose your powers. Dawn is a cabal.

And you are explaining this to me for what reason?

> Dawn was not given an item, because they weren't supposed to run around involved in cabal wars.

You have *no* idea what you're talking about. Do you think the VIP flag gives you license to talk
out your ass? That's not how it works. When Dawn was originally created, as it was explained to me,
Dawn was about serving the lightwalking theran populace. I took that and ran with it. *I* felt that
a new lightwalking cabal would be perceived as the second coming of the Knights of Thera. I made sure
to push the idea that our mission was to help people *first*.. as it was explained to me. We didn't
want people running off to raid *insert evil cabal here* when they should be doing what Dawn's charter
states. This doesn't mean the Dawn have to be sheep... it doesn't mean Dawn has to bury their collective
heads in the sand everytime conflict arises. Rituraaj has been wreaking havoc on his pk range. I've
been a unwilling notch on his pk belt. The Maran and Dawnies were tired of it and decided to take it
out on him. Rituraaj happens to be sitting in his cabal (as we've seen for very good reason), so they
raid, and get the tar beat out of them. Why does this all of a sudden warrant them getting an item and
having to defend it. Did you ever have to deal with screaming
newbie lightwalkers (oh wait you were an arbie.. think you can relate). How difficult would be to be
the "beacon of Hope" in Thera when you are constantly loosing your item?

> Fine with me. However, they do spend their time raiding other cabals. Now it's unfair.

How is this different from the uncaballed who constantly raid. Their powers aren't worth it.
How is it unfair exactly? What.. it's unfair because they can communicate accross a cabal
channel while a group like the Maran can't? Golden aura, succor, altruism?? These are worth
having an item? These are formidable weapons in a pk situation? How about we dumb down the
entire cabal system.. take away *all* of the pk powers thus we can take away all of the
items. How fun would that be?

Do Troupe members ever raid? They should have an item. That storytelling skill is way overpowered.
> I don't care how marginal their powers are; they come from a source, and that source was something different, something special, at first - because Dawn was an exception of a cabal.

The idea being they come from a different source.. a power that allows them to continue their
mission even during Thera's "darkest hours". Not to sound condescending, but why is this difficult
for you to grasp?

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Okay. Macheath(VIP) 10:08:12 12/14/2000 (19)
- Well, if we're taking these topics, seriously, here are my .02 TotW(VIP) 11:07:16 12/14/2000 (8)
  - Okay. :P n/t Woru/Hargrave/Xaril/et al 11:10:46 12/14/2000 (7)
    - And, uh, I'm betting if you posted as Amergin, people would remember you too. n/t Macheath(VIP) 11:13:00 12/14/2000 (6)
      - *wipes away a tear* Do you really think so?? n/t (Well, of course, I'd remember *you* - but that duergar ap that hung around arolin and be-mused??) TotW(VIP) 11:17:34 12/14/2000 (5)
        
        Don't forget the rake-spamming uncaballed gnome druid! (n/t) The Arcane(VIP) 13:36:42 12/14/2000 (2)
        
        Beornin? n/t Macheath(VIP) 13:42:20 12/14/2000 (1)
        
        No no... he was a cloud giant... give me a minute. n/t Macheath(VIP) 13:44:44 12/14/2000 (0)
        
        Malathrox? Man, there were a ton-o AP's back then *thinks back with a fond tear in his eye* Old-school master 11:28:22 12/14/2000 (1)
        
        Damn, that's right! Ok, ok, I was wrong :( TotW(VIP) 11:36:14 12/14/2000 (0)
- Ok Mac. Would it surprise you to hear, I don't disagree with you.. necessarily? The First Apostle 10:34:00 12/14/2000 (6)
  - You're missing my point. Macheath(VIP) 10:52:56 12/14/2000 (5)
    - Mac, here's a reminder Saerin 11:06:02 12/14/2000 (3)
      - Those comments are backed up by the way you act with righteous indignation every time this topic is brought up. n/t Macheath(VIP) 11:07:57 12/14/2000 (2)
        
        You're a hypocrite Saerin 11:34:28 12/14/2000 (1)
        
        Oh, well. Sad to see you go. Macheath(VIP) 11:43:15 12/14/2000 (0)
    - Hee hee.. Superfly 11:02:13 12/14/2000 (0)
- Macheath, Macheath, Macheath............. Langston 10:32:05 12/14/2000 (1)
  - No. I don't want to 'get even' with them. I want them to stop raiding cabals. :P n/t Macheath(VIP) 10:33:14 12/14/2000 (0)
- It's TRUE! That's why he doesn't post as Saerin.. gahahahaha.. n/t *rofl* 10:22:07 12/14/2000 (0)
You're a whiny bitch. (N/T) The Pumpkin King 10:00:04 12/14/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> > > > Second of all, cabal powers come from cabal items. That's the way it works. That way, if you lose the item, you lose your powers. Dawn is a cabal. > > And you are explaining this to me for what reason? > > > > Dawn was not given an item, because they weren't supposed to run around involved in cabal wars. > > You have no idea what you're talking about. Do you think the VIP flag gives you license to talk > out your ass? That's not how it works. When Dawn was originally created, as it was explained to me, > Dawn was about serving the lightwalking theran populace. I took that and ran with it. I felt that > a new lightwalking cabal would be perceived as the second coming of the Knights of Thera. I made sure > to push the idea that our mission was to help people first.. as it was explained to me. We didn't > want people running off to raid insert evil cabal here when they should be doing what Dawn's charter > states. This doesn't mean the Dawn have to be sheep... it doesn't mean Dawn has to bury their collective > heads in the sand everytime conflict arises. Rituraaj has been wreaking havoc on his pk range. I've > been a unwilling notch on his pk belt. The Maran and Dawnies were tired of it and decided to take it > out on him. Rituraaj happens to be sitting in his cabal (as we've seen for very good reason), so they > raid, and get the tar beat out of them. Why does this all of a sudden warrant them getting an item and > having to defend it. Did you ever have to deal with screaming > newbie lightwalkers (oh wait you were an arbie.. think you can relate). How difficult would be to be > the "beacon of Hope" in Thera when you are constantly loosing your item? > > > > Fine with me. However, they do spend their time raiding other cabals. Now it's unfair. > > How is this different from the uncaballed who constantly raid. Their powers aren't worth it. > How is it unfair exactly? What.. it's unfair because they can communicate accross a cabal > channel while a group like the Maran can't? Golden aura, succor, altruism?? These are worth > having an item? These are formidable weapons in a pk situation? How about we dumb down the > entire cabal system.. take away all of the pk powers thus we can take away all of the > items. How fun would that be? > > Do Troupe members ever raid? They should have an item. That storytelling skill is way overpowered. > > I don't care how marginal their powers are; they come from a source, and that source was something different, something special, at first - because Dawn was an exception of a cabal. > > The idea being they come from a different source.. a power that allows them to continue their > mission even during Thera's "darkest hours". Not to sound condescending, but why is this difficult > for you to grasp? > >

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