Posted by Macheath(VIP) on December 14, 2000 at 10:08:12:
In Reply to: Oh brother.. try again hero posted by The First Apostle on December 14, 2000 at 09:47:51:
You still haven't calmed down. And thus... another perhaps too-scalding reply!
> And you are explaining this to me for what reason?
Because you don't seem to get it.
> You have *no* idea what you're talking about. Do you think the VIP flag gives you license to talk
> out your ass?
Why is that always everyone's first assumption? I ALWAYS have license to talk out of my ass, as does everyone else. So we get beat down for doing it occasionally; that's fine. I'm not talking out of my ass here, though.
>That's not how it works. When Dawn was originally created, as it was explained to me, Dawn was
>about serving the lightwalking theran populace. I took that and ran with it. *I* felt that
(Assorted rambling)
> states. This doesn't mean the Dawn have to be sheep... it doesn't mean Dawn has to bury their collective
> heads in the sand everytime conflict arises.
Ahhh, right, I forgot. You, being a leftover knight that got thrust into the limelight for your 15 minutes of fame, believe not only that you were the founder of every idea surrounding the Dawn cabal, not just that each and every facet of Dawn's existence is your intellectual property, but that you somehow have the right to assume that your word is gold on this topic and ends all discussion and that nothing has ever changed from your original, all-encompassing vision for the cabal.
Get a life.
Why do you post as "The First Apostle?" Oh, right, because no one would know you if you posted as Saerin.
>How difficult would be to be the "beacon of Hope" in Thera when you are constantly loosing your item?
Jeez, I don't know. Nobody knows. Because as the "Beacon of Hope" in Thera, you don't have an item to lose. And that's the way it should be, I agree. But I also believe that Dawn should just keep the hell away from cabal raiding as a whole, just to stay on the safe side. In fact, I think they should stay away from fighting as much as possible.
"The Servants of the Dawn draw their power from the faith and hope of the Light...if you wish to try to raid and steal it, go right ahead." That's what Selric has to say on the subject. And it's a perfectly viable explanation. Except it's unfair, unless we just keep Dawn focused on its goal of helping others and furthering the light, blah blah blah. How would you feel if Battle lost area spellbane and resist, but Thror came out and said, "Oh, by the way, all ragers now get their powers from the internal rage they feel.. yeah, that's it." Before you leap all over it, no I'm not suggesting that the remainder of Battle's powers are in some way balanced with Dawn's. I'm merely giving an example so ridiculous that you'll hopefully see where I'm coming from - cabals with powers should either not be involved in other cabals' politics in any way, or they should have some way to be inhibited by these other cabals. Dawn is neither uninvolved nor inhibitable at the moment, and their powers, however meek, are an unfair advantage without one of those two limitations.
> How is this different from the uncaballed who constantly raid. Their powers aren't worth it.
Uncaballed people who raid aren't in a cabal. They don't have a certain cabal-enforced roleplay to adhere to, they don't have powers they gain from being a member of the cabal, they don't have built in friends and ranking partners. And please, stop saying, "Their powers aren't worth it." We all know. My point isn't that Dawn is out of balance power-wise. It's that Dawn has been granted this special boon because of the nature of the cabal, and this nature is something they should stick with.
> How is it unfair exactly? What.. it's unfair because they can communicate accross a cabal
> channel while a group like the Maran can't? Yes. Golden aura, succor, altruism??
>These are worth having an item? If you want my opinion, no, they aren't. But then as I've said,
>they should focus on helping others - not killing others. These are formidable weapons in a
>pk situation? They're an advantage. How about we dumb down the entire cabal system..
>take away *all* of the pk powers thus we can take away all of the items. How fun would that be?
>Not very. What's your point? Do Troupe members ever raid? Not terribly often.
>Certainly not as often as Dawn seems to. They should have an item. That storytelling skill
>is way overpowered. Heh.
> The idea being they come from a different source.. a power that allows them to continue their
> mission even during Thera's "darkest hours". Not to sound condescending, but why is this difficult
> for you to grasp?
It isn't, at all. However, this different source was put into place because of the issues and beliefs at the heart of the cabal. Dawn should not be out and about, raiding to kill or raiding to take items.