> [video.google.com] <br>> <br>> By Dr. Ken Miller of Brown University (a christian who believes in god). He says everything that needs to be said about how science and science education works. <br>> <br>> Here's the Ben Stein counter arguement: <br>> [www.expelledthemovie.com] <br>> <br>> <br>> If you can find any value (yet) from Ben Stein's documentary, please tell me.