Depends.

August 06, 2013 09:20AM
If I'm looking at it as "Random rager berserker warrior" vs "AP" - I don't see the RBW ever being worse in a power sense than an AP without charges. Outside of strict RP goodness, people play an AP mechanically for ABS + charges. That's the allure. You might not be totally useless without those things but you're making a decision to be strictly worse than a warrior, or at least strictly worse than an RBW.

It's fine to make a choice to be subpar but assuming you're trying to "win CF" in the traditional sense, you cannot take risks with an AP like you can take risks with a warrior or you will turn into a punching bag. So if someone says "gee your invoker was a pussy" - I might agree. But if someone says, "gee your subpar-race AP is a pussy", compared to their fully optimized RBW, I just roll my eyes and tell them to give it a shot themselves.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/06/2013 09:22AM by Death_Claw.
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The Final Straw

abernyte 1254 August 06, 2013 02:00AM

Your group played poorly, deserved to die:

tongni 439 August 09, 2013 12:20AM

"plague is very strong against the felar due to the low con"

Elystan 485 August 09, 2013 12:32AM

23 con + resilience + ancient instinct + herbs makes plague a waste imo. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin 392 August 09, 2013 12:40AM

That's pretty silly.

sevriis 504 August 10, 2013 10:16AM

My point is that in theory plague is going to fail a lot more than any of your other options.

Rhyaldrin 384 August 11, 2013 02:39AM

Eh it's about equally likely to succeed as blind + disarm or anything else that will actually turn the fight. Further, if you're prepped to the gills it's not really my fight to win.

sevriis 419 August 11, 2013 07:43AM

I can't agree.

Rhyaldrin 374 August 11, 2013 04:00PM

So many questions

Tolnum 524 August 06, 2013 02:13PM

Insects don't initiate combat for the caster.

Rhyaldrin 513 August 06, 2013 02:36PM

Yep.

vortexmagus 396 August 06, 2013 09:13PM

You do realize that you can loot potions that were bought in stores.

Rhyaldrin 496 August 06, 2013 12:56PM

You can just barter. Tir-Talath is a rural settlement, not a city.

Murphy 457 August 06, 2013 11:49PM

No way

daurwyn(VIP) 564 August 07, 2013 03:32AM

It's a druidic/nature based culture that focuses on agriculture, if any settlement was ok for Outlanders to shop in, it would be Tir-Talath. You should go read more about the place. (n/t)

Matrik 373 August 07, 2013 06:24AM

I have read about the place

daurwyn(VIP) 498 August 07, 2013 11:55PM

They don't like conjies? That's even better.

Matrik 483 August 08, 2013 07:25AM

What I like about this discussion...

wrathpuppet 460 August 08, 2013 07:28AM

For sure. (n/t)

Matrik 372 August 08, 2013 07:32AM

So basically, it's ok for Outlanders to shop at Whole Foods. (n/t)

smashtro 494 August 07, 2013 09:33AM

Learning Outlander lore will answer that question for you.

Matrik 363 August 07, 2013 11:24AM

So thar eris

daurwyn(VIP) 385 August 08, 2013 03:04AM

HTOS

Matrik 400 August 08, 2013 07:27AM

Protect the shadow grove by having it full of undead monsters scaring off the wildlife? (n/t)

Elystan 356 August 08, 2013 08:03AM

Protect the shadow grove by making sure no one destroys the shadow grove.

Matrik 478 August 08, 2013 08:06AM

They've opened a portal to some sort of land of Liches, Lichs, Licks? Dead people walking around.

wrathpuppet 413 August 08, 2013 07:30AM

Good point. (n/t)

Matrik 397 August 08, 2013 07:32AM

+1 to reading (everywhere in the game, not just there) (n/t)

leaf 395 August 07, 2013 09:07AM

Why can't someone purchase/barter, then give said potions to an Outlander?

leaf 405 August 07, 2013 03:52AM

If red aura is unambiguous, so is gray taint (n/t)

Elystan 375 August 07, 2013 03:57AM

But will it have gray taint if bartered? (n/t)

Murphy 469 August 07, 2013 03:59AM

Pretty sure taint is due to source, not method of acquisition. (n/t)

wrathpuppet 398 August 07, 2013 04:01AM

And you'd be wrong.

sevriis 502 August 07, 2013 07:28AM

I always saw tons of tainted stuff in corpses. This doesn't happen with potions?

wrathpuppet 400 August 07, 2013 07:41AM

Items looted from corpses lose gray taint IME

Elystan 514 August 07, 2013 07:45AM

Yes, I think I covered that in my barbs. (n/t)

abernyte 367 August 06, 2013 11:03PM

Why not just flee to the road and put up earth shield again? (n/t)

cenatar 408 August 06, 2013 06:42AM

Not that I'd have thought of this in the moment, but retreating would have been the best idea after making Azhelak waste both snare and insects.

sevriis 445 August 06, 2013 10:55AM

Nah

zoskia 463 August 06, 2013 11:34AM

I've retrieved against Azhelak as an A-P when he didn't have Andira backup

Elystan 405 August 07, 2013 12:51AM

The other log is the only place I've seen him w a solo PK.

Zruulg 460 August 07, 2013 12:55AM

I don't really think he was dead until he bashed Azhelak, but otherwise I agree. Timer on insects should probably go up to make a gap. (n/t)

sevriis 412 August 06, 2013 11:52AM

Either insect timer was lowered, or it is better on rangers. (n/t)

Zruulg 419 August 06, 2013 12:30PM

You were one of the biggest pussies ever.

Jerrokrar 466 August 06, 2013 06:00AM

Berskers are almost NEVER worth fighting as an AP

torak 523 August 06, 2013 05:21PM

This is why I was super surprised/impressed that one time you were all "Oh yeah that mino sword spec berserker? He's slept and we're killing him"

Elystan 414 August 06, 2013 11:13PM

Hyperbole and invective aside

Tolnum 429 August 06, 2013 02:15PM

Stop!

NbM(VIP) 625 August 06, 2013 09:05AM

To be fair, abernyte was the "abrassive fight starting asshole" first with the comments in his log. (n/t)

smashtro 394 August 06, 2013 08:26PM

Does he whine to the VIPs about people attacking him?

Death_Claw 458 August 06, 2013 09:47AM

When did you come to the conclusion you were an authority on anything?

Tolnum 440 August 06, 2013 02:16PM

Well, to be fair I don't know you either.

Death_Claw 352 August 08, 2013 07:57PM

Pot meet Kettle, I believe you two have met before. (n/t)

Randomguy 387 August 06, 2013 06:15PM

AFAIK no.

DurNominator(VIP) 500 August 06, 2013 10:57AM

yeeeep. About sums up the shit Jerro, funnyone and Pro try, and the VIPs end up looking like gigantic naieve tools banning folks justified in trolling them. (n/t)

Scrimbul 451 August 06, 2013 09:55AM

I dont complain to anyone.

funnyone 448 August 06, 2013 09:59AM

Fixed? I'm just in a habit of putting it all in the subject line. Easier to read, and less clicking :) (n/t)

funnyone 409 August 06, 2013 10:06AM

Bah! All my work, flushed away! (n/t)

NbM(VIP) 438 August 06, 2013 10:08AM

Well

NbM(VIP) 410 August 06, 2013 09:59AM

Re: Well

Tolnum 401 August 06, 2013 02:19PM

Dude, read your own posts.

Death_Claw 366 August 08, 2013 08:09PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

Frosty 454 August 07, 2013 11:55AM

Yup. Stop posting negative things about people's chars.

Death_Claw 457 August 06, 2013 10:23AM

We could

NbM(VIP) 446 August 06, 2013 10:34AM

Dude, have you even died to a solo AP since Drexazar?

sevriis 424 August 06, 2013 07:53AM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

hopelessdwarf 575 August 06, 2013 06:41AM

Let's just agree that...

Death_Claw 516 August 06, 2013 06:44AM

Exactly so basically 90% of all scion shifters. (n/t)

tesline 395 August 06, 2013 06:48AM

Yeah one of the things that bothers me...

Death_Claw 493 August 06, 2013 06:57AM

Yeah, some of the witty enemy banter has turned into witless trash talking. (n/t)

PaulO 357 August 06, 2013 08:57AM

When I lose a fight......

Zruulg 401 August 06, 2013 07:35AM

When I lose a fight:

Matrik 411 August 06, 2013 12:57PM

I always blame my incompetent group.

zannon 403 August 06, 2013 07:37AM

Good post. All of this is why I mostly avoid cabal wars. (n/t)

smashtro 488 August 06, 2013 07:33AM

This should be a sticky on the main page. Well put. (n/t)

Frosty 471 August 06, 2013 07:32AM

Yeah, all of this dude.

leaf 412 August 06, 2013 07:21AM

based on one interaction when I attacked the giant and my 3 year old daughter needed to go to the toilet. You come off second to that Jerrokrar.

abernyte 498 August 06, 2013 06:20AM

Spoken like someone who has never played a casting dependant build against ragers

Quas 438 August 06, 2013 06:07AM

Nightwalker + 1.7K hp + Summon + Iceball trumps Spellbane/Deathblow/Thirst. n/t

Jerrokrar 394 August 06, 2013 06:11AM

How is one taken seriously when writing this? (n/t)

funnyone 456 August 06, 2013 10:07AM

I agree with him

daurwyn(VIP) 384 August 08, 2013 05:24AM

Because they were horrendously stupid?

Death_Claw 445 August 08, 2013 07:54PM

Serious question.

Tolnum 462 August 06, 2013 03:58PM

Wrong, and please don't try again. (n/t)

Frosty 330 August 06, 2013 07:27AM

You know AP's get 50% mileage out of despoil compared to full mages right?

Quas 470 August 06, 2013 06:17AM

This pretty much.

Death_Claw 543 August 06, 2013 06:35AM

I killed Fjodir when he had 100+ charges as Boggom.

Jerrokrar 480 August 06, 2013 07:05AM

Sounds like you are saying veteran ragers beat the piss out of APs, which is what I said. (n/t)

Quas 413 August 06, 2013 07:25AM

I got charges off you

Elystan 465 August 06, 2013 07:23AM

I said pre-Mikhian being a badass. You got a charge when I had a 20-10 ratio.

Jerrokrar 336 August 06, 2013 07:24AM

So I should base my 4 weeks of work on hoping that you'll be charitable?

Death_Claw 529 August 06, 2013 07:10AM

I think you can make a rough AP even without a huge weapon

Quas 450 August 06, 2013 09:16AM

My attitude..

Elystan 482 August 06, 2013 09:30AM

Depends.

Death_Claw 443 August 06, 2013 09:20AM

There's some truth in that

daurwyn(VIP) 362 August 12, 2013 08:25AM

Umm, since when do APs not have shield block?

zannon 440 August 06, 2013 06:44AM

I accidentally edited that sentence short.

Death_Claw 398 August 06, 2013 06:48AM

Jerry knows fuck all about anything non-rager and even then is low on the scale. (n/t)

abernyte 376 August 06, 2013 06:20AM

If I know fuckall, why avoid me?

Jerrokrar 416 August 06, 2013 07:10AM

I didn't. See above reply to our ONE interaction. (n/t)

abernyte 379 August 06, 2013 09:44AM

Because he knows its a bad matchup and you don't. (n/t)

PaulO 373 August 06, 2013 08:52AM

So you quit asking us to explain fuckall to you in # of stones. (n/t)

Frosty 333 August 06, 2013 07:28AM

Funny how people are posting about how petty that attitude is.

Jerrokrar 396 August 06, 2013 07:33AM

It was just a joke dude. Don't take everything as an attack on you.

Frosty 399 August 06, 2013 07:34AM

He didn't have barrier

Elystan 414 August 06, 2013 06:01AM

A-P who lands sleep + full maledicts can two round me the same way. n/t

Jerrokrar 376 August 06, 2013 06:17AM

I did land sleep + full maledicts on you...

Elystan 407 August 06, 2013 06:48AM

You had shit equipment + low charges. You also didn't summon anything.

Jerrokrar 427 August 06, 2013 07:12AM

"You lost because you didn't have 50 charges" is not a sensible argument

Elystan 407 August 06, 2013 07:24AM

What's with trashing Azhelak there at the end? Take your lumps. (n/t)

smashtro 469 August 06, 2013 05:24AM

Azhelak and Andira grouping has been a sore spot with a lot of ppl for a long time...

Zruulg 442 August 06, 2013 05:55AM

Ah, I see. But they're not both active still? (n/t)

smashtro 470 August 06, 2013 05:59AM

Oh they're active (n/t)

Elystan 469 August 06, 2013 05:59AM

If Azhelak dies, Andira takes 1/2 max hp damage and loses 1/3 con, that's why. (n/t)

Dalbrin 452 August 06, 2013 05:27AM

heheheh (n/t)

abernyte 318 August 06, 2013 06:21AM

Shields are easy to dispel if they're not on the invoker himself (n/t)

starbright 413 August 06, 2013 05:12AM

Did you lose your weapon? Just curious. (n/t)

Zruulg 344 August 06, 2013 05:04AM

When andira is wake, azhelak is awake ALWAYS! (n/t)

thomas 364 August 06, 2013 04:37AM

I fought both some and actually never saw them together

Zruulg 478 August 06, 2013 05:16AM

Their together time tended to end about 30 mins before you logged in (n/t)

Elystan 407 August 06, 2013 05:21AM

I'm not saying they are not together a significant bit....

Zruulg 507 August 06, 2013 05:52AM

Aster saw him late nights as well, without Andira. I saw Andira like 5 times total. Think she is more morning player and he is morning and evening. (n/t)

Matrik 383 August 06, 2013 01:03PM

Good to see the Sunwarden is cool with the evil familiar, as well. (n/t)

Dalbrin 419 August 06, 2013 04:10AM

And remember, Andira is the one in charge of the faction making sure that the Maran doesn't get overzealous and do/align with evil.

Dalbrin 456 August 06, 2013 05:01AM

Yeah. It's totally impossible that there's an RP angle behind it being worked. It's clearly Baer not doing her "job." You tell her. (n/t)

wrathpuppet 327 August 06, 2013 05:08AM

You're right, we should respect different roleplay. Do you want to roll the rager who wears magic gear, or should I?

Dalbrin 456 August 06, 2013 05:21AM

In fairness Andira is not doing anything unacceptable for an acolyte

Quas 442 August 06, 2013 05:36AM

Yeah, my bad. Totally acceptable to be bonded with evil as a leader of the Acolytes. I'd forgotten that part.

Dalbrin 435 August 06, 2013 05:38AM

andira defends the fort, she doesn't go out hunting

Quas 471 August 06, 2013 05:45AM

My Squire spoke with her. She sure as shit isn't trying to convert that raven.

Dalbrin 442 August 06, 2013 06:03AM

She ganged my A-P and sacced my biggest ever unholy while I was helping people rank miles away from Fort.

Elystan 462 August 06, 2013 05:56AM

Saccing big unholies sucks.

smashtro 527 August 06, 2013 06:05AM

I actually really like this too...as someone who destroys unholies...make it like killing defiance. nt

minyar 423 August 07, 2013 09:43AM

I like this idea. (n/t)

abernyte 346 August 06, 2013 11:02PM

Interesting idea. Give Corrlaan follower something to kill their selves for. (n/t)

Matrik 441 August 06, 2013 01:07PM

MY biggest ever unholy

Elystan 471 August 06, 2013 06:06AM

Your weapon clearly broke the game. (n/t)

ghuljun_thul 384 August 07, 2013 07:23AM

Do you know the whole story?

wrathpuppet 526 August 06, 2013 05:27AM

I do. The role play failure isn't on Andira. It's on basically everyone else in the Fort that turns a blind eye. (n/t)

Matrik 396 August 06, 2013 01:05PM

This I believe. (n/t)

wrathpuppet 356 August 06, 2013 02:33PM

There probably is.......

Zruulg 421 August 06, 2013 06:19AM

This never happened...

Tolgrumm 435 August 07, 2013 06:07AM

I know enough. I had a lowbie Squire have Andira try to explain why her evil familiar was chilling with the Watcher. It was weak.

Dalbrin 453 August 06, 2013 05:35AM

Umm.....

arzzra 548 August 06, 2013 02:18AM

Yeah, wasn't sure if Azhelak was there and thought voker help would make a retrieval from Andira easier.

abernyte 411 August 06, 2013 03:28AM

Azhelak is always there. You should just assume it. (n/t)

funnyone 422 August 06, 2013 03:33AM

I type 'whoi and' to find out if he's online, 'c locate (felar gear)' is just a waste of mana (n/t)

Elystan 350 August 06, 2013 04:21AM



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