The Academy Prefect says 'Welcome to Thera!'
You say 'Hello.'
An Immortal says 'I'm in the middle of a video conference, so you'll have to hold on unless someone else can get you.'
You say 'Ok.  No worries.  I'll add a ticket to keep myself from voiding out.'
An Immortal says 'Hi. Yes, your character was denied.'
An Immortal says 'Its for a couple of different reasons that were touched on via the announcements board post.  I assume you saw them as you post on our forums.'
An Immortal says 'I imagine you had further concerns or questions, and thats why you made a character with the same name as your forum handle?'
You say 'I did.'
You say 'Yes.'
An Immortal says 'So whats on your mind?'
You say 'Specifically, I'm curious about exactly the reason it was seen as existing only to annoy others.'
An Immortal says 'because thats exactly what it is'
You say '?'
An Immortal says 'you can pretend its something else, and thats fine, I won't tell you that your opinion can't be valid'
You say 'My opinion on my character?'
You say 'I would think, if anyone knows why I made such a character... it would have to be me.'
You say 'No?'
An Immortal says 'when you have postd 100% of your kills showing full sac of victims and makes posts that say "But Matrik does owe me whatever he promised for full loot logs."'
An Immortal says 'you lose any credibility to be something other than annoying on purpose'
An Immortal says 'So yeah, your opinion can be valid, but I don't really care what it is at this point'
You say 'I posted that log because people asked for it.'
An Immortal says 'and you chose to do it without the anon feature'
You say 'I did.  I agree it should be denied for that reason, which I posted.'
An Immortal says 'its insulting to both of us that you want me to believe that all this is happy coincidence or accidental'
You say 'There is no accident.  I have no intention to insult you.'
An Immortal says 'So you intentionally did things that would get you denied, by your own admission, and are wondering why you were denied?'
You say 'No.  I asked why the character was seen as existing only to annoy others.'
Scarabaeus says 'I'm back now.'
You say 'If I created the exact same character, by behavior, but posted no logs, would I be denied?'
You say 'Hello Scarab'
Scarabaeus says 'My commentary on reasons for denial are my own perspective.'
You say 'Sure.  I can understand, from the context of the logs, why it could appear that way.'
Scarabaeus says 'I think the self-outing was the big problem. The annoyance issue I can't say too much about, since I just learned about the logs earlier today.'
Scarabaeus says 'Your commentary does, IMO, compel me to nudge you into that category.'
You say 'Self-outing I understand.'
You say 'Hrmm..  I feel like I've been clear that just pissing someone off wasn't the intent...  Who doesn't like a good revenge story?'
Scarabaeus says 'Apparently only two of you see it that way?'
An Immortal says 'The biggest thing is when your IC antics turn into OOC drama.  The OOC "flaunting" of it turns it into a trying to annoy players aspect'
You say 'The two of whom?'
You say 'The log was asked for, sans comments.'
An Immortal says 'on an OOC forum for the OOC peanut gallery to pass judgments'
You say 'I complied with that request because I could.  I didn't post stuff about quitting the game because of a full loot.'
An Immortal says 'but thats also where you crossed the line, in my opinion, of it going from somethign your character would do to something you as a player are doing to "taunt" your victim'
You say 'Specifically I was behaving IC up until the point where the dude completely OOC meltdowned...  Then they took it to OOC forums.'
An Immortal says 'you also replied to him OOC in that exchange'
You say 'I did.'
An Immortal says 'and also engaged him in said OOC manner via forums'
You say 'I engaged with the people that wanted to demonize the behavior, but not Brujah's player.'
You say 'Other than to say I would post the log.'
You say 'But it doesn't matter.  If the same behavior was done, without any log posting, would that character be denied for being an annoyance character?'
An Immortal says 'Depends'
You say 'On?'
An Immortal says 'I'm not going to "give you permission" to act a certain way or not act a certain way.'
An Immortal says 'So the answer it depends is what you are going to get.'
You say 'So full looting is against the rules if someone deletes over it?'
An Immortal says 'If you can keep IC IC then we would have no reason to be concerned.'
An Immortal says 'Do you like CF?'
An Immortal says 'If so, just play it.'
An Immortal says 'If not, then don't play it.'
An Immortal says 'It really should just be that simple.'
Scarabaeus says 'I think I've said time and again I have no issue with full looting, per se. I think you can take it too far or try to target a player instead of a character.'
You say 'It was certainly not my intent to target any specific players.  I wouldn't know how to do so if I wanted to.'
Scarabaeus says 'But what is too far? We're back to casuistry. It's like the classic question of what is porn?'
You say 'Heh.'
Scarabaeus says 'What was Zulghinlour's motto? Don't be a dick?'
Scarabaeus says 'Something along those lines.'
You say 'Sure.'
You say 'It is a difficult line to draw when people can't handle defeat in the best of cases.'
You say 'I mean... it isn't like people stay IC after deaths when they get everything back.'
Scarabaeus says 'Anyway, you two can talk this out. I have code to work on. I doubt I'm going to be much help when I'm distracted by the Bug Queue.'
Scarabaeus says 'Peace out.'
You say 'Thanks Scarab.'
An Immortal says 'As much as people want "more carrion", its situations like this one that cause less of it'
An Immortal says 'im all for looting and gear circulation, its great for the game when it happens'
You say 'It isn't like leaving all their gear was helping either...'
An Immortal says 'when you make a choice to just waste another players time, its not helpful on any level'
An Immortal says 'I think we can both agree on that front'
You say 'Mostly I was trying something different that coincided with a character viewpoint.'
An Immortal says 'but you, as a player, took all of the IC out of it'
An Immortal says 'by associating your OOC persona with the character by your own choices'
You say 'On the topic of enforcing denial of outted characters, does this mean you're going to deny *we all know who*'
You say 'That is literally why I started outting my own characters, repeatedly, on purpose.'
You say 'He doesn't even play character, he just plays himself, *identifying information*... over and over.'
An Immortal says 'I still don't know of a single post where *we all know how* outed himself'
You say 'Visit carrionfields.info.'
An Immortal says 'its painfully obvious who he is'
An Immortal says 'but I dont think there is a single post where he posts that he is player X'
An Immortal says 'he in fact goes to great lengths to deny that he and *we all know who* aren't the same, especially on carrionfields.info'
You say 'That I haven't seen.'
You say 'Or don't recall, because it is so completely obvious.'
An Immortal says 'almost as obvious as our one funny guy'
An Immortal says 'almost'
You say 'Right.'
An Immortal says 'So basically, when IC turns into OOC and the actions begin to look like a player vs a char, thats when the problem arises'
An Immortal says 'when you, as a player, opt to go OOC in response to another player going OOC, you draw our attention'
You say 'I wish I hadn't...'
You say 'But I also was flabbergasted that they were surprised at what happened.'
You say 'Like the only way they knew that character was a villager was the log.'
An Immortal says 'I am curious: what exactly is your intent with the full saccing of people?'
You say 'Several things...'
You say '1) Try something different'
An Immortal says 'and why would your Villager sacrifice all of the non_magical gear instead of putting it inside the village for other villagers?'
You say 'I actually didn't sac it.'
You say 'I just didn't include it in the log because of length.'
An Immortal says 'fine, so on your other kill that you posted the log of'
An Immortal says 'where you did post the full sac'
You say 'I appraised it all, swapped out like 5 piecese of my own shit gear, put the non magic in the pit'
You say 'No where to put it.  Also evil mage.'
You say 'As a character, I wanted to deprive that character of their ability to do harm.'
An Immortal says 'So what are the other intents of your full saccing besides trying something different?'
You say '2) Revenge story.'
You say '3) Get people to work together to gang me down (that one is OOC-ish)'
You say 'Did you know there was a non-villager duergar logged in while that transmuter fought and died alone?'
You say 'Vs. a single villager pickpocket thief.'
You say 'Why the fuck didn't he ask the duergar for help!?!'
You say 'Or the assassin I was clearly fighting a second before he started knocking on the giant.'
An Immortal says 'maybe he was going to try for Outlander, not sure'
You say 'Nor am I, but it seemed like he had options but instead wanted to work alone.'
An Immortal says 'Lets take a step back on it for a sec though and rewind to when you played Krunk'
You say '4) Gear and prep circulation.'
You say 'I just never got to hero to start that.'
You say 'Sure.'
An Immortal says 'you were super classy as Krunk'
An Immortal says 'to the point it was actually questionable orc RP at times'
You say 'I'm super classy with most of my characters.  Brayan was notable as the exception.'
You say 'Agreed.'
You say 'Krunk should have fulled several villagers, but most of them were Jerrotard.'
You say 'and with a pet was in the unique position to be able to do so easily and thouroughly.'
You say 'I can't spell.'
An Immortal says 'do you think the game would have benefited, or even your own enjoyment with the character, had you acted with full loot/sac?'
You say 'Possibly.'
You say 'Krunk should have been fulled when he died.'
An Immortal says 'or had you used banned to blow up peoples gear instead of waiting for them to get back to their corpse before using it?'
An Immortal says 'banner, not banned'
You say 'He was 400-20 or whatever for fucks sake.  You don't leave a monster like that with 90+% of their shit after death.'
You say 'Banner I would probably use if I didn't hate it.'
You say 'And also it sucks to destroy gear.'
An Immortal says 'regardless of what choices other people make or made'
An Immortal says 'I am just talking about you and your choices with it'
You say 'But I got plenty of grief for looting stuff like prayer beads and healms of brilliance.'
You say 'They are connected.  People wouldn't full Krunk because he didn't full.'
You say 'Which was bad for them, and to some extent, bad for me.'
You say 'Krunk worked alone because he always had the set.'
You say 'Or enough of it to rebuild whatever was lost.'
An Immortal says 'most people, to their benefit and to their downfall, struggle to disconnect player and character, IC and OOC'
You say 'True.'
An Immortal says 'there is a really blurred line between the two, especially when it comes to things like time sink/investment/waste'
An Immortal says 'you had a kid shortly after Krunk right?'
You say 'Yea.  Krunk age died while I was on paternity leave.'
An Immortal says '*stuff about kids*'
An Immortal says 'your time has become far more valuable than it did pre kid i am sure'
You say '*stuff about kids*'
An Immortal says 'I know mine has'
An Immortal says 'nice, congratz'
You say 'Thanks.'
An Immortal says '*stuff about kids*'
You say 'I play at work (sometimes) like now, and then after bedtime.'
You say '*stuff about kids*'
You say 'Daycare if fucking expensive.'
An Immortal says 'which circles back to the whole remembering that the line, no matter how blurred or irrational, exists and its really easy to  blast across'
An Immortal says 'meh, i renegotiated my work so i am home by 10am every day and my wife works from home primarily'
An Immortal says 'took a pay cut, but it was still way smaller than the cost of daycare'
You say '*stuff about kids*'
An Immortal says 'but ultimately, the "dont be a dick" line of thinking is a good one to follow'
You say 'I totally get that.'
An Immortal says 'or one of my favorites is that your choices stop being just your choices when they impact mine'
You say 'But while regearing can feel like a large time sink...  that's only if your definition of regear matches like... Isildurs.'
An Immortal says 'So yeah, its totally within your bounds to full loot sac people'
An Immortal says 'but when you are in turn forcing someone else to play the way you think they should, it just seems like bad news'
You say 'I probably won't...  especially not with something that would kill more people.'
An Immortal says 'its why one of the golden rules of being an imm  is don't ruin the fun of another player'
You say 'That line is weird...'
An Immortal says 'for instance, its very IC for an imm to just outright kill a PC'
You say 'Because if I don't want to PK, or whatever...'
You say 'sorry someone in my office.'
An Immortal says 'youre alright'
An Immortal says 'but its not "fun" for a player to be blown up by an imm'
An Immortal says 'and i know you arent forcing them to do anything'
An Immortal says 'but you essentially take away an avenue that they would have had to go down had you not full sacced them'
You say 'I don't follow that one.'
You say 'I can see making an avenue... regearing, they wouldn't have otherwise needed to take.'
You say 'But taking one away'
You say '?'
You say 'Also, why is.. say... full sac terrible, but uninduct not.  I mean that can also blow up the fun for another player.'
You say 'Or just forcing someone into PK that doesn't want it, or isn't ready.'
You say 'Or is more interested in ranking right now, or in exploreing.'
You say 'The whole game feels built around the reality that other people can affect your character in ways you can't really control.'
An Immortal says 'sorry, phone call'
You say 'But this particular one is socially unacceptable, but not rules-wise banned.'
An Immortal says 'it really boils down to the  way the action looks'
You say 'Sure.'
An Immortal says 'when it looks like your actions are OOC driven, its a problem'
An Immortal says 'when they are IC its fine'
You say 'No one approached it from an IC standpoint with my character.'
An Immortal says 'if you are uninducting people for OOC things, imms step in'
You say 'Sure.'
You say 'Like the flag the whole mud thing.'
An Immortal says 'or if someone boots a personf rom a cabal for literally no infractions occuring ever and no communication explaining why'
An Immortal says 'you lost the right to have your character look IC with the other antics, like I said at the beginning =P'
You say 'Right.  I can understand that, and respect Imms stepping in.'
You say 'I agreed with the deny, based on the OOC outting.'
You say 'I even stated *why* I started posting that way.'
You say 'I support banning outted characters.'
You say 'I only logged in because of the "created only to annoy" bits.'
An Immortal says 'and thats where the OOC antincs came into play'
An Immortal says 'it might not look that way to you, but from our perspective it looks exactly like you as a player are trying to frustrate/annoy/rile up the playerbase'
An Immortal says 'and that you are using that character as a tool to do it'
You say 'Sure.'
You say 'I debated posting the log.  I stand by doing it, because I think the discussion is worth having.'
An Immortal says 'and thats fair'
You say 'But I also support the deny, if not for annoyance, but definitely for outting.'
An Immortal says 'i stand by the denial because of the OOC associations with the character and how it gave the perception that all things done were not IC driven'
You say 'I also suspect that if you didn't know for 100% fact that *we all know who* would lose his fucking mind, you'd have already denied *we all know who*.'
An Immortal says 'Ive denied him a few times, it doesnt hurt my feelings to'
An Immortal says 'I just haven't actually seen him cross that line'
You say 'I think that is fair, if untrue, but the perception is reality thing is turned against me.'
You say 'I'm not going to go out of my way to dig up posts that I believe show he is clearly outted himself, but I stand by my position that he has.'
You say 'Thank you for taking the time to speak with me.'
An Immortal says 'I know he had his giant douche meltdown over a rotd trip a few months back'
An Immortal says 'but that all happened while I was sleeping and iirc those posts were all deleted/cleaned up by the time I woke up'
You say 'I really do wish you guys would engage in the conversation on the forums...  So everyone can see...  Just pick the people that aren't crazy to engage with.'
An Immortal says 'I attempt to from time to time'
You say 'Matrik might be a little off, but he's not 100% crazy.'
You say 'I meant, fairly specifically, qhcf.'
An Immortal says 'never gonna happen'
An Immortal says 'here is an interesting tidbit for you'
You say 'But yes, it is hard.  People get emotional... sort of like at the start of the conversation here.'
An Immortal says 'A former staff member was a VIP there'
An Immortal says 'when they were joining staff we reached out to gabe'
An Immortal says 'and asked about keeping a staff member on as a VIP on Dios'
An Immortal says 'To help bridge that gap'
An Immortal says 'we were told no'
You say 'Seems reasonable.'
An Immortal says 'because they did not want the perception of being imm regulted'
An Immortal says 'regulated'
You say 'Also seems reasonable.'
An Immortal says 'So its kind of a chicken and egg problem'
An Immortal says 'Do we go and engage all the crazies on qhcf where we might be able to get somewhere but only after a shit slinging contest for 2 weeks?'
You say 'Don't engage them.'
An Immortal says 'Or do we have people come to our forums to discuss things where we can remove said useless shit slinging'
You say 'Don't remove it.  It only makes them look bad.'
An Immortal says 'Whats to stop the sensible people on qhcf from posting on the main forums?'
You say 'Not as much discussion happens.'
You say 'And you shut down stuff to quickly and too often.'
You say 'That's literally why I don't.'
An Immortal says 'Do you have an example of something that was shut down too quickly or too often?'
You say 'Jalim and whoever in that death thread a week ago?'
An Immortal says 'the last thing that I recall being shut down was everyone posting about how Matrik should be unbanned'
You say 'They both looked like turds.'
You say 'But you guys removed the thread.  It's some sort of chilling effect thing.  That's why I posted that bit about r/socialism vs r/libertarian'
You say 'sub-thread'
An Immortal says 'apparently im not on the forums enough, i am missing all sorts of fun'
You say 'I think it was Jormyr who deleted that sub-thread, and I think it was Jalim and someone else, but my memory isn't good...  I look shit up.'
An Immortal says 'I wonder who blew them up'
An Immortal says 'Jormyr hasn't even logged onto the mud in like a month, I dunno how active he is on the forums.. I can't track that as easily'
You say 'I can find it if you really want to know.'
An Immortal says 'Eh, im sure I could too if I cared that much'
You say 'It's harder since Death Angel is being done manually'
You say 'Too many batched posts'
An Immortal says 'I *think* that is fixed now'
An Immortal says 'but Im not overly sure'
An Immortal says 'oh, i think i know what youre tlaking about now'
An Immortal says 'tmns making his post about how he is only going to be on the main forums for something now'
You say 'Maybe.  I don't recall the starter thread.'
An Immortal says 'yeah, thats another nonesen that happened while I was sleeping'
An Immortal says 'i only sleep for like 6 hrs a day and apparently thats when the crazy happens'
You say 'So you know that "rule" in customer service where you need 10 good interactions to conteract 1 bad one?'
You say ':P'
You say 'Could be worse... you could have to deal with it?'
An Immortal says 'yeah, get out there and hand out 20 sets of full gear'
You say 'Hang on.'
You say 'And sure.'
An Immortal says 'cause your 2 full sacs are bad ones =P'
You say 'Maybe.'
You say 'Well... if the forums are to be believed those two players are gone forever.'
You say 'So I can't bring them back.'
An Immortal says 'that one guy made another im leaving forever post a month or so ago i think'
You say 'But, for every post that gets deleted or thread that gets locked on the main forums.'
You say 'Thats 10 more that never come to be (or more).'
An Immortal says 'im pretty sure that ive given out more quest forms than locked or deleted threads'
You say 'I'm not trying to blame you specifically, I don't even know who you are.'
An Immortal says 'ill try and prod some of the other folks about that though'
You say 'I'm saying that's why people don't post on the official forums.'
You say 'I appreciate that, btw.'
Destuvius says 'im the resident "bad guy"'
You say 'Sure.'
You say 'It can be fun to be the bad guy.'
Destuvius says 'my general practice is I dont vis in rotd'
You say 'Brayan was supposed to be the bad guy... but also a good align... and generally just a pain in the dick to deal with for everyone... but also super nice.'
Destuvius says 'most people who are in rotd dont have the luxury of knowing who as dealing with them since they are here for bad reasons'
You say 'Maybe I'll play another thief in a decade or so.'
Destuvius says 'had i not been chasing toddlers around, I would have pulled you into a less intimidating room for the chat'
You say 'I totally understand.'
You say 'Ah...  No worries.  Like I said..  I support the denial, in the general sense anyway.'
Destuvius says 'its important to keep the line between IC and OOC as much as you can control it'
You say 'I will begin posting anonymous logs again and not self-outing.'
Destuvius says 'and when you start blending the lines yourself, it begins to be bad news'
You say 'I still look forward to *we all know who*'s meltdown :P'
Destuvius says 'if you do opt to continue on the full loot train'
Destuvius says 'just wait till lvl 40+'
You say 'Probably not.'
Destuvius says 'most people who can make it to or past 40 can handle it'
You say 'With the time I have available to me... 40+ is actually really hard.'
Destuvius says 'really? ive found leveling to be SUPER easy lately'
You say 'Levelling is super easy.'
You say 'Finding a group and putting in 3 solid hours or something to make meaningful gains...'
You say 'Fuuuuuck'
Destuvius says 'pfft'
Destuvius says 'i soloed an orc to 31 in like 26 hrs'
You say 'Somewhere between 25-35 is usually where it starts to drag for me.'
You say 'Hence Marner autoing at 33 or whatever.'
Destuvius says 'there are a million super cheeseball places to level, especially solo, if you think outside the box'
You say 'Couldn't make it to wilderness fam.'
Destuvius says 'its easiest with a neutral or an evil'
You say 'Maybe I'll make a paladin bot and see how many bat kills I can get!  Mostly kidding.'
Destuvius says 'you can lvl in 1 area from 10 to 40'
You say 'Hrmm...  I apparently need to up my leveling game.'
You say 'Unless you mean planar.'
Destuvius says 'whenever i play a mort, I try to show it to people'
Destuvius says 'nope, not planar'
Destuvius says 'works with any class'
You say 'Huh...  I'll have to figure it out someday.'
Destuvius says 'works best with a non outtie'
Destuvius says 'cause of the xp love from mercs'
You say 'Sure.'
You say 'So here's a thought.  I could post this log, which makes you seem like a normal person.'
You say 'I could even remove the family/personal stuff.'
You say 'And that could help PR wise.'
Destuvius says 'you can totally post the log if you want, i've never cared if people want to post rotd logs with me'
You say 'But I won't if you don't want me to.'
You say 'Should I try to ask Scarab?'
Destuvius says 'its up to you how you want to do it. Scar appears to be uber afk at the moment'
Destuvius says 'im trying to poke him quick'
You say 'Ok.'
Destuvius says 'i am pretty sure i already know what will happen if you post it though'
You say 'I'll hang out for a bit (if you don't mind) and you let me know.  I'll hang on to it either way if you get something from him later.'
You say 'Yea?'
Destuvius says 'people will bring out the pitchforks that you got denied'
You say 'That's fucking stupid.'
Destuvius says 'and it will be a bunch of drama about how we are ruining the game with our "selective enforcement"'
Destuvius says 'and how I am the worst admin ever and the game would be better without me'
You say 'ah... the direct mentions of *we all know who* are probably less than ideal.'
You say 'Of course.  Everyone knows you are the worst.'
Destuvius says 'the usual stuff that happens'
You say 'Just like I am the worst for full loot.'
Destuvius says 'whats hilarious to me about that'
Destuvius says 'is I spend 99% of my time on the mud'
Destuvius says 'fixing our shitty heroimm process and helping move them through the nonsense'
You say 'I think it isn't neccessarily about the people who respond, a lot of them are the crazies.'
You say 'I'm really  glad you are doing that btw.'
You say 'Even if it didn't work for me.  Maybe I'll try again someday, but making a notable character isn't like... a goal... I usually have.'
Destuvius says 'our system sucks, it has sucked a long time'
Destuvius says 'I've spent like 5 years trying to fix it and make it not so retarded'
You say 'I blame Valg :p'
Destuvius says 'here is an example:'
Destuvius says 'when i first joined staff'
Destuvius says 'I was given a single room template'
Destuvius says 'and told to copy/paste it 99 more timest o have my 100 room area file'
You say 'Uh... what?  Why.'
Destuvius says 'know what I did? saved the blank 100 room file'
Destuvius says 'and started handing it out to people'
You say 'Sure.'
Destuvius says 'thats just "how it was always done"'
You say 'Diku are file format is complete garbage.'
Destuvius says 'which is a whole nother thing, but all the same, its what we work on'
You say 'I can't figure out how it even gets read out of the spaghetti code that is riftshadow's old codebase.'
Destuvius says 'thats just one  example of a stupid "old method" thing I have blown up'
You say '100 rooms is a lot.'
You say 'Can you blow up the length requirement on all descriptions?'
Destuvius says 'and yeah, shrinking down the size of the things we are asking people to write was a me and umi brain child'
Destuvius says 'that has also been adjusted'
Destuvius says 'you will begin to see a "lower quality" of area coming out'
You say 'I mean goblin outpost is cool, butholy shit do those people have paragraphs of descriptions.'
Destuvius says 'instead of the 8-10 line room descs'
Destuvius says 'with 5-8 line mob descs'
Destuvius says 'we are focusing more on content and less on length'
You say 'Excellent.'
Destuvius says 'obviously, a  quality desc can come in at 3 lines'
You say 'Did you read Brayan's description at all?'
Destuvius says 'but 3 lines can also be a really shitty desc'
Destuvius says 'I have not, i am actually working to review.... 5? areas currently'
You say 'It's shitty'
Destuvius says 'and 4 religions'
You say 'Jeesus'
Destuvius says 'and trying to plan our next staff meeting'
You say '[blog.prepscholar.com];
Destuvius says 'as well as handing out rewards to people'
Destuvius says 'all in 10-15 min chunks'
You say 'That's rough'
You say 'I wish you luck.'
Destuvius says 'its what i signed up for'
You say 'Make sure to dump that work on the next promotion person.'
You say ':P'
You say 'promoted.'
Destuvius says 'that and being the bad guy'
You say 'Someone has to be the bad guy.'
Destuvius says 'Eh, woe is being near the top of the ladder lol'
You say 'I suggest brining back Valg.'
You say 'He was an excellent villian.'
Destuvius says 'Valg left silently on his own accord'
You say 'I don't mean for real.'
Destuvius says 'we have been pitching trying to get back lots of old imms and coders'
You say 'I mean for scapegoat.'
Destuvius says 'every "old" imm who has come back has never done anything and just left again'
You say 'That sucks.'
Destuvius says 'Arvam, Lyristeion, Aarn, Grurk (under a different persona), Thrak'
Destuvius says 'and thats just in my time here'
You say 'Well you've got a big batch of heroimms right now, yea...'
Destuvius says 'Daev and Baer just stopped showing up one day, and no one really knows why'
You say 'Fresh faces and such.'
Destuvius says 'I imagine that is partially my fault as well, but ya know'
You say 'hopefully everything is ok with them.  They got a lot more vitriol than was probably their due.'
You say 'That link above is to the physical description of Jay Gatsby btw...'
Destuvius says 'yeah, I pulled it up'
You say 'It really doesn't describe anything physical.'
You say 'which is a thing a lot of books do.'
You say 'Because no one cares about eye color and hair style and shit.'
Destuvius says 'we have gotten way more loose in terms of things like names and descriptions lately as well'
You say 'I've actually noticed.'
You say 'Since 90% of my descriptions are quesiontable.'
Destuvius says 'despite people thinking otherwise often, we have tried really hard to be more hands off and just let players play'
You say 'We both know creative description writing isn't my thing.'
Destuvius says 'and then they still aren't happy because they want imms to be more hands on'
Destuvius says 'BUT only if its on their terms (the players)'
You say 'Can't please everyone all the time.'
Destuvius says 'and not in situations where it makes sense for an imm to step in IC'
You say 'I do think people were responding positively to the random acts of Immteraction'
Destuvius says 'Yeah, Ishuli has been a gem in that regard'
You say 'Randomly popping into an NPC and stuff'
Destuvius says 'Personally, I hate immertaction'
You say 'Like a 2 minute thing.'
Destuvius says 'both doing it and recieving it'
You say 'Me too... with direct Imm personas'
Destuvius says 'I would have never made a religion if I didn't have to'
You say 'But interacting with an NPC behaving like an NPC would.  That can be fun'
Destuvius says 'I would much rather just keep the wheels turning the background'
You say 'And over in 2 minutes.'
Destuvius says 'No response from Scar yet btw'
You say 'So I'm hearing you say that I should make a really needy follower of Destuvius.'
Destuvius says 'people have given me good reviews in terms of being a follower'
You say 'I probably won't post it, but I really do appreciate treating me like a person and discussing it.'
Destuvius says 'also, something to note, if you want to have a constructive discussion about something'
Destuvius says 'feel free to do it with me via email'
You say 'You'll not trick me that easily.  Yelp reviews for Dest are paid for.'
Destuvius says 'its a lot easier to have one without the peanut gallery'
You say 'That is actually probably 6) for full loot.'
You say 'Start a conversation about it.'
Destuvius says 'there are a LOT of things I would like to alter about gear in general in CF'
You say 'It is easier, but it is more beneficial to have it in public, IMHO, and just ignore the peanuts'
You say 'So I've been playing with the Riftshadow source...'
You say 'Those diku formats do not the condusive to mass gear changes make.'
Destuvius says 'oh god no, it would be a HUGE undertaking to do'
You say 'I'm curious how Umi pulled together his item DB...'
Destuvius says 'Umi is a pretty gd solid coder is what I have gathered during my overlapped time with him'
You say 'If you see him, I'd love to snag any like script he used if it doesn't have CF specific info in it.'
You say 'I think I can probably do some python junk to pull out all the items...'
You say 'But then making changes and trying to stuff them back in?  I literally have no clue.'
Destuvius says 'im sure there are a lot of handy little things in the CF code that make it easier to track that stuff'
Destuvius says 'for instance, I have some in game commands where I can pull every weapon, every limited item, every object ont he ground and a few other things'
Destuvius says 'i imagine its not hard to manipulate the code to pull X Y Z and present it'
Destuvius says 'esp with the way vnums are associated by area and what not'
You say 'Ah... maybe that is how he did it then.'
You say 'I actually haven't played with the Imm commands on the RS source... too many of them.'
You say 'Plus a few have segfaulted it on me.'
You say 'Shitty C and C++ is shitty.'
Destuvius says 'Alright, thats all I got time for right now.'
Destuvius says 'You want to keep Tac and have me put you in MS Galadon, or you just gonna delete the char?'
You say 'delete'
Destuvius says 'Later'
You say 'Later'
Death tells you, 'I AM DEATH, NOT TAXES. I TURN UP ONLY ONCE.'