Arvam explains my ratios:

Elystan

September 09, 2013 01:12AM

Registered: 14 years ago
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"I never see this guy shy from a fight or back down. Empire can be weak or strong but he'll still stick things out."

This about a character I was actually making a conscious effort to be cowardly and pick my fights carefully with.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2013 01:16AM by Elystan.

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Arvam explains my ratios:	Elystan	853	September 09, 2013 01:12AM
This explains all things Arvam: 'Baerinika' at level 32 (52 hrs): Arvam you are a goddamn saint. A fucking saint, I swear. (n/t)	sevriis	381	September 09, 2013 07:40AM
Heh, nice. Unfortunately scoreboard players don't care about anything but the scoreboard.	Matrik	457	September 09, 2013 04:41AM
Scoreboard players.	Death_Claw	518	September 09, 2013 12:44PM
Famish is useful at all levels	daurwyn(VIP)	481	September 11, 2013 03:04AM
Someone missed the point.	Death_Claw	502	September 11, 2013 05:49AM
TOIW? (n/t)	wrathpuppet	352	September 12, 2013 08:51AM
Tower of iron will	zannon	398	September 12, 2013 08:55AM
I'd totally agree with that	daurwyn(VIP)	417	September 12, 2013 08:41AM
Famish is pretty good for level 15-20ish PK~	vortexmagus	399	September 10, 2013 11:13AM
Then again, maybe if famish gets that guy his 12 kills that's justification for it being awesome?	Elystan	365	September 09, 2013 12:55PM
Ironically it's better now than it used to be.	Death_Claw	458	September 10, 2013 05:08AM
It's probably better than plague, and plague is quite good	Elystan	360	September 10, 2013 05:26AM
I've only ever made one mechanics-based statement that I was wrong about. That had to do with armor class mechanics. Not sure what you are talking about.	Matrik	348	September 09, 2013 12:54PM
That's quite subjective and many disagree	Elystan	394	September 09, 2013 12:57PM
No sides here that I'm aware of. Just those that can handle insects and those who can't ; ) .	Matrik	440	September 09, 2013 01:11PM
Is insects a big deal?	Elystan	464	September 09, 2013 01:26PM
Just so you are clear of the score:	Matrik	450	September 10, 2013 12:01PM
It's huge if there are multiple people after you who are competent.	vortexmagus	378	September 11, 2013 12:24AM
It's a straight killer on anyone competent, but it has nothing on what wall of thorns was back in old sylvan days coupled with it. (n/t)	Gaplemo	361	September 10, 2013 11:38PM
Sure. Accomplished killers have no problem with it.	Murphy	396	September 10, 2013 09:23PM
Elystan's account is 4 years old. (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	367	September 10, 2013 08:46PM
I've done plenty of chars.	Death_Claw	459	September 10, 2013 12:59PM
Was Gevanter in Sylvan? (n/t)	Frosty	404	September 11, 2013 03:46PM
Yep. n/t	Death_Claw	395	September 11, 2013 06:31PM
How do you remember that far back?	Matrik	367	September 10, 2013 01:18PM
Forums.	Death_Claw	378	September 10, 2013 02:41PM
Right on.	Matrik	385	September 10, 2013 02:44PM
He also ignores that insects are mobile.	Death_Claw	412	September 10, 2013 05:02AM
It's not as big a deal as you think it is	zoskia	434	September 09, 2013 01:39PM
Agreed on all counts but	Elystan	375	September 09, 2013 08:40PM
What are the counters? Also "only" 3 people at all times will have it. Theres always gonna be 3 leaders in outlander.	Artificial	416	September 09, 2013 01:45PM
Not panicing because you don't have your get out of jail free card anymore is a good first step to countering.	Matrik	476	September 09, 2013 01:47PM
So I catch you with insects on Calandaryl...	Death_Claw	373	September 10, 2013 05:05AM
You do know entangle lags you, not victim, right?	zoskia	373	September 10, 2013 08:16AM
I've gotten plenty of entangle kills.	Death_Claw	379	September 10, 2013 11:27AM
You won't catch me on Calandaryl for one. For two, I'm not going to stand idle while you insect/entangle/entangle.	Matrik	367	September 10, 2013 07:11AM
or I just kill you outright and laugh that you wasted commands on the possibility of me fleeing	Quas	348	September 10, 2013 05:12AM
Wishful thinking on your part. n/t	Death_Claw	331	September 10, 2013 05:14AM
I think I am currently up to 10 ranger kills where they died trying to use entangle on me and zero deaths	Quas	396	September 10, 2013 05:30AM
The game would be pretty boring of we all rolled invokers. n/t	Death_Claw	369	September 10, 2013 05:52AM
Dude. Not panicing just means you die calm if they have you on the ropes.	Pro	479	September 09, 2013 08:34PM
excellent case study: Pro had insects on a ranger and Pro was unable to PK his way out of a paper bag with it, so its not a game changer unless you are already really good in the first place (or you have an air form) (n/t)	Quas	337	September 10, 2013 05:19AM
Auldr wasn't a PK character and I rarely used insects. When I did it was most often on Nyst. (n/t)	Pro	474	September 10, 2013 07:43AM
Eh, 2-4 people is not "most everyone else." Just as many agree with me.	Matrik	404	September 09, 2013 01:35PM
If you can't word/teleport you die more, end of story, I don't care how good you are (n/t)	Elystan	396	September 09, 2013 08:42PM
Insects + blind + getting attacked at the bottom of the Tree means you die. (n/t)	Artificial	395	September 09, 2013 01:39PM
1. As if that situation can't be avoided. 2. Does not mean "you die" (n/t)	Matrik	547	September 09, 2013 01:46PM
1. alone - making situations into ones that have to be avoided that wouldn't otherwise be so, is proof positive that insects is a big deal	Elystan	353	September 10, 2013 03:04AM
You don't avoid them because of insects. You avoid them because you can't beat them. Basically what you're saying is...	Matrik	349	September 10, 2013 07:06AM
You just admitted it does	Elystan	387	September 10, 2013 08:30AM
In both cases you lose, and not because of insects. (n/t)	Matrik	410	September 10, 2013 08:35AM
In only one case do you die - because of insects (n/t)	Elystan	332	September 10, 2013 09:38AM
That case being the one in which you were dumb enough to fight someone you both couldn't beat and weren't good enough to escape from. (n/t)	Matrik	342	September 10, 2013 10:01AM
So it's dumb to even fight them; because they have insects. But insects isn't a big deal and doesn't make anyone powerful or scary. Right. (n/t)	Elystan	372	September 10, 2013 11:08AM
That's what you contend, yes. I disagree since insects isn't a factor for me. (n/t)	Matrik	374	September 10, 2013 11:18AM
I forgot, outlander leaders don't know how to chase. (n/t)	Artificial	376	September 09, 2013 01:57PM
I forgot, it's not possible to outrun or elude people on foot. (n/t)	Matrik	370	September 09, 2013 02:04PM
In a lot of cases it actually isn't. (n/t)	Elystan	401	September 09, 2013 08:44PM
You realize rangers and druids and outlaners have half the move lag of everyone else in the wilds?	Pro	451	September 09, 2013 08:40PM
All of which can be done with, or without, insects. If you can't beat somebody that HAS insects, it isn't insects that's killing you. It's your inability to kill them first. (n/t)	Matrik	334	September 10, 2013 07:07AM
There's a lot of random chance in CF.	Death_Claw	348	September 12, 2013 05:14PM
Why do I need to wait for insects to fall off and their timer be on cool down if I can beat them? (n/t)	Matrik	378	September 12, 2013 06:04PM
Because you can't.	Death_Claw	349	September 12, 2013 06:58PM
It was YOUR hypothetical numbskull. Not to mention, insects doesn't prevent me from leaving. (n/t)	Matrik	372	September 12, 2013 07:01PM
Reread it.	Death_Claw	379	September 12, 2013 07:09PM
Indeed, but such a slight favor that it is wholly negligible. Not worth mentioning. (n/t)	Matrik	361	September 12, 2013 07:15PM
This statement is equivalent to the statement "There is a negligible chance of ever being able to catch up with someone who fled from combat"	Elystan	333	September 13, 2013 02:18AM
Incorrect. That statement is not the same as what was said in the slightest. (n/t)	Matrik	345	September 13, 2013 06:26AM
Explain the difference between "The chance of catching up to someone who can't teleport or recall is negligible" and "The chances of catching up to someone who doesn't teleport or recall is negligible" (n/t)	Elystan	333	September 15, 2013 07:44AM
Those weren't the statements made, nor are they a valid summary of what was being discussed. Why would I explain something I didn't say? (n/t)	Matrik	325	September 15, 2013 10:36AM
You said that ..	Elystan	382	September 15, 2013 11:39AM
I encourage you to reread the thread. (n/t)	Matrik	367	September 15, 2013 01:29PM
Or I need to:	Matrik	400	September 15, 2013 01:38PM
Insects doesn't reduce enemy survivability implies:	Elystan	392	September 16, 2013 01:18AM
Wrong and not what I said. Go back and try again. (n/t)	Matrik	355	September 16, 2013 04:58AM
So insects does reduce enemy survivability? Or you don't accept my inferences? (n/t)	Elystan	335	September 16, 2013 09:03AM
You're beginning from a false premise, which nullifies your inferences.	Matrik	396	September 16, 2013 09:11AM
Negligible was your choice of words, to support your stance.	Elystan	337	September 16, 2013 09:14AM
Indeed, negligible is the word I used. I believe you do not understand the word.	Matrik	403	September 16, 2013 09:23AM
I understand it perfectly	Elystan	370	September 16, 2013 10:11AM
Why would it be different? Who said it was? Not being able to teleport is not being able to teleport. Regardless of source. Neither of which are a big deal. (n/t)	Matrik	338	September 16, 2013 10:54AM
Okay, so you believe that teleport and recall don't bail people out of being PKed	Elystan	357	September 16, 2013 09:42PM
Are you serious right now? I might have to just accept that you either can't read, or won't read with the intent to understand.	Matrik	337	September 17, 2013 05:02AM
I've survived insects on plenty of occassions	Elystan	356	September 17, 2013 05:15AM
You'll get there:	Matrik	347	September 17, 2013 05:19AM
I don't have an inability to flee on foot...	Elystan	329	September 17, 2013 05:40AM
You don't have an inability to flee on foot?	Matrik	344	September 17, 2013 05:46AM
Re: You don't have an inability to flee on foot?	Elystan	386	September 17, 2013 05:59AM
Missed that last bit:	Matrik	352	September 17, 2013 06:12AM
So you're not stupid enough to fight someone who has insects	Elystan	356	September 17, 2013 06:24AM
I'd fight him if I could beat him. Insects doesn't make him harder to beat.	Matrik	359	September 17, 2013 07:15AM
Insects doesn't exist in a vacuum	Elystan	330	September 17, 2013 07:22AM
Lol what? Ambush, snare/deadfall, ambush is not threatening without insects? Now you're just on crack.	Matrik	373	September 17, 2013 07:25AM
No, we just play different classes	Elystan	301	September 17, 2013 07:31AM
Then insects didn't come into play for you either.	Matrik	283	September 17, 2013 07:49AM
Not if they have pursuit or an air form, etc. Even lower movement lag gives them a decent chance of catching up	Elystan	345	September 17, 2013 07:57AM
Do you see how more and more specific your scenarios have to become for insects to seem useful?	Matrik	376	September 17, 2013 08:19AM
Not that specific considering..	Elystan	359	September 17, 2013 08:37AM
Now we are approaching an accord. Perhaps.	Matrik	450	September 17, 2013 09:08AM
It's not just going into situations where I know I'm going to fight unprepped	Elystan	376	September 17, 2013 09:47AM
Too much so. If you have a high degree of awareness it starts to become hard to let yourself die.	sevriis	357	September 17, 2013 10:07AM
These days...	Matrik	363	September 17, 2013 09:51AM
If only these scoreboards players were more like us	Elystan	401	September 17, 2013 09:57AM
Heh, now you're talkin' (n/t)	Matrik	374	September 17, 2013 09:59AM
And you're not even a serial Villager.	wrathpuppet	349	September 17, 2013 07:20AM
Story of the argument:	Matrik	387	September 17, 2013 06:08AM
So you've finally stopped trying to adress my arguments	Elystan	336	September 17, 2013 06:10AM
Your arguments have been addressed. I've not the time to repeat them to the willfully ignorant. (n/t)	Matrik	343	September 17, 2013 06:13AM
So have yours, but I have plenty of time	Elystan	340	September 17, 2013 06:22AM
There is no argument to address. Only fact and your denial of that fact.	Matrik	334	September 17, 2013 07:20AM
It's only a waste of a command if the outlander isn't winning	Elystan	333	September 17, 2013 07:35AM
Wrong. It's nearly always a wasted command.	Matrik	315	September 17, 2013 08:01AM
Savage blow doesn't permalag, so they just flee and quaff	Elystan	359	September 17, 2013 08:06AM
Getting away from insects for a second...	Death_Claw	397	September 12, 2013 07:38PM
CF isn't math	Elystan	371	September 13, 2013 02:14AM
You can't get away from insects since you don't have word of recall or teleport. (n/t)	Matrik	358	September 12, 2013 07:47PM
Blind, on foot, in a micro maze, against someone who has less movement lag than you. (n/t)	Artificial	361	September 09, 2013 02:05PM
Cure blind, easy micro maze (even blind), and only a few steps to where they DON'T have less movement lag. (n/t)	Matrik	383	September 09, 2013 03:30PM
Cure blind means they catch up with you, which is beside the point anyway.	Elystan	365	September 09, 2013 08:46PM
Cure blind means they wasted a command blinding and another insecting. (n/t)	Matrik	363	September 10, 2013 07:09AM
Clearly they were winning anyway though or you wouldn't have fled. (n/t)	Elystan	326	September 10, 2013 08:33AM
Not really, but to entertain you. I didn't flee because of insects. I fled because of blind. (n/t)	Matrik	385	September 10, 2013 08:37AM
But you didn't die because of blind, you died because of insects	Elystan	313	September 10, 2013 09:39AM
I didn't die. I succesfully got away, or I killed them and laughed at them for thinking insects meant something. (n/t)	Matrik	334	September 10, 2013 09:59AM
No you died because wilderness familiarity and evade owned you, you couldn't navigate the maze because you were blind and didn't know which direction you fled and you had double the lag on movement	Elystan	350	September 10, 2013 11:11AM
None of which is insects. (n/t)	Matrik	354	September 10, 2013 11:20AM
Okay so you weren't insected. You recalled safely and got to the healer. (n/t)	Elystan	340	September 10, 2013 02:08PM
Nope. I was cursed. Guy I was fighting didn't have insects. (n/t)	Matrik	347	September 10, 2013 02:27PM
Still, teleport. (n/t)	Murphy	358	September 10, 2013 02:43PM
Teleport potions were in my bag : ( (n/t)	Matrik	384	September 10, 2013 02:45PM
See?	Death_Claw	383	September 12, 2013 05:10PM
I always have teleport. I said return is low on my priority list.	Matrik	357	September 12, 2013 06:02PM
So enthrall me with your top 3 cabal power picks if not insects. n/t	Death_Claw	398	September 12, 2013 07:06PM
Spellbane, chameleon, imperial training (n/t)	Quas	327	September 13, 2013 02:57AM
I'd pick scribe, eavesdrop, and one random. (n/t)	Matrik	349	September 12, 2013 07:14PM
This is your worse troll ever.	Pro	501	September 09, 2013 08:38PM
So it's a death sentence before insects. Obviously its a death sentence after insects. You see how little the insects matter in that scenario? (n/t)	Matrik	295	September 10, 2013 07:08AM
Me knowing how to kill outright at the refuge allows me to escape the refuge.	Pro	417	September 10, 2013 07:45AM
Right, but insects isn't going to stop you from killing out right either. (n/t)	Matrik	333	September 10, 2013 07:56AM
Insects do change the attack dynamics, though.	DurNominator(VIP)	395	September 11, 2013 11:10AM
If Matrik was playing that duergar he'd have escaped	Elystan	351	September 11, 2013 11:22AM
It was arial, not a duergar	DurNominator(VIP)	452	September 11, 2013 12:08PM
Or killed him. Matrik carries cure blindness, refresh, and heal potions. (n/t)	Matrik	337	September 11, 2013 11:29AM
You forgot the violet roots you were already carrying that you went to ysgirath to get so he couldn't camo/herb (n/t)	Elystan	349	September 11, 2013 11:31AM
Not necessary and I usually don't carry them. Not reliable enough. If someone wants to play the camo hit-n-run game, I generally just walk away.	Matrik	412	September 11, 2013 11:34AM
The whole reason why ragers...	Death_Claw	435	September 10, 2013 11:53AM
For your edit:	Matrik	376	September 10, 2013 12:08PM
Yeah, no.	Matrik	420	September 10, 2013 11:57AM
You're confusing defenders with what I said.	Death_Claw	405	September 10, 2013 11:59AM
Ah, true. My mistake.	Matrik	396	September 10, 2013 12:03PM
Having insects is useful in a large number of situations.	Death_Claw	355	September 12, 2013 05:38PM
Disagree. It's only useful on newbs = it's not a great ability. (n/t)	Matrik	392	September 12, 2013 06:05PM
And again, history proves you wrong.	Death_Claw	339	September 12, 2013 07:11PM
I'll address the more entertaining point, since Cel's level of skill is debatable: One person died to insects 3 weeks ago and that is evidence of it being a top 5 cabal power? (n/t)	Matrik	345	September 12, 2013 07:19PM
Some kills are worth more than others.	Death_Claw	408	September 12, 2013 07:41PM
Altruism, obviously.	Murphy	361	September 12, 2013 08:32PM
Judging by the Fort complaints, I'd guess Cry is wrecking some folks. (n/t)	Matrik	348	September 12, 2013 07:48PM
If twitter is any indication.	Death_Claw	380	September 12, 2013 08:46PM
Wouldn't surprise me. To find out it's exaggerated. (n/t)	Matrik	374	September 12, 2013 09:03PM
insects are individuals themselves, each. its quite a gang. nt	crafteddeception	287	September 12, 2013 09:34AM
It only sounds easy. In practice... you die. (n/t)	Murphy	346	September 09, 2013 07:16PM

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