Posted by A coder on July 8, 2000 at 08:15:59:
In Reply to: Re Everything on Arbiters. posted by hastur on July 8, 2000 at 07:28:40:
This isn't 'directed' toward you, hastur, just a reply. > Okay This is my two cents worth. I agree that the mud has become more geared toward RP. The fact of the matter is, if you want to get anywhere and be respected you MUST RP. If you want to just have some fun, just don't break the rules and you'll do fine. But don't expect to get into a Cabal (or stay in one) or to get a tattoo.. and don't get pissed when these things don't happen, you know the reason. I think Imbrogno is one of the examples of how someone should be. Imbrogno was very well roleplayed, having been in his presence a few times I can vouche for that. He was 'quirky' to some extent, and that adds a lot of personality to a character. You said, "It shouldn't make a difference if they roleplaying or not." Last time I checked this was a RP/PK MUD. > For somone to call you a muther fucking cocksucker after you pk them Isnt ooc. Being a arbiter is as arolin says Merely a cabal. You are no higher than any other player in the game. That might not be OOC, but why would you make your character have a role that it was appropriate to be a dickhead like that? Hmm? Just because you're in a cabal, you're right, you're not 'higher' than anyone in the game.. BUT, you do have added responsibilities. Someone won't like you. What mage likes a battle rager? Get my drift? Many people do not like Arbiters. > - Arbiters of old used to fight and capture criminals without haveing nasty guards with them, without haveing manacles. I know because i was a arbiter during one of the roughest periods for arbiters for the last five years that i've played. Arbiters were 'improved' as was everything/everyone else to keep pace. I was an Arbiter of Old, too, and I think the new abilities make it much more balanced. Would you rather they make it so that when you're WANTED you're automatically put into the PK range of *ANY* Arbiter? It's much easier to evade a Hero Arbiter's guards than the Hero himself/herself. > - The laws have become more and more refined in time and some have changed. But Do rember you are there to enforce the laws, not to judge them. Many arbiters I see manipulate the laws , bend them to do their bidding. I direct you to this popular portion of the help for Alignment. Lawful Evil: The use of society and its laws for personal benefit. Structure and organization elevate those who deserve to rule as well as provide a clearly defined hierarchy between master and servant. Laws and societies are supported so long as they fit with personal concerns. Laws are obeyed out of fear of punishment. > The prime example is flagging anyone who attacks you whilst you have guards outside of town. If your not fighting the wanted criminal with your guards, or at least right on his tail - You are fair game to be pked just like anyone else. It is far from unfair cause you have two buff as fuck guards with you. Those 'buff as fuck' guards are easily evaded. Although not forever, you can get away. You really seem to be ticked off about something, as if you were just killed for some crime you got caught doing and now yer pissed. > - You are supposed to set examples to the lawless of your order and laws you enforce. Makeing assumptions and flagging people without even discussing the crime is extremly poor. Many a time i've recieved the tell of: Your wanted cause you attacked someone in town. Once even I was speak to a immortal for almost 2 hours in the realm of the dead, and got flaged before him. Not to accuse you of lying, but how do we know this is not a made up story to support your point? To go against you, you would direct us to this part.. oh, but I talked to the Immortal in the realm of the Dead and I got flagged.. If we went against you, we would have to call you a liar. Ok, so I guess I'm calling you just a bad lawyer at proving your case. Names, places, times... Not someone, over there, um awhile ago. Another point.. 'many times I received the tell of You're wanted because you attacked someone in town.' Did you? It has been my experience that the Arbiters do investigate, and if they don't you should contact the higher ups. It is to be expected that even the Arbiters have the wool pulled over their eyes sometimes, they're only human. If the Immortals intended it to be perfect, they would code it that if you attacked someone in a protected area you would be made wanted immediately. No question about it, computers don't lie. Would you like that? Of course not. The thrill of somehow evading the Law is something that drives at least a decent percentage of people playing CF... the Immortals know this. Also, a group that is generally 'hated' is needed in a World... hence the Arbiters. If you have different goals with someone, you can always find common ground with them by bitching out the Arbiters. The Immortals know this. > Anyway enough of my bitching, here are some simple, really simple solutions to the problem at hand. > make guards area only, thereforce they cannot be taken outside of town. Oh that's right, sort of how if you commit a crime in a state and you drive to the Mexican border police cars can't follow you over the border. I think that's bullshit in real life, and I think that's a bullshit suggestion in fantasy life. > change manacles so that it isnt so harsh on mages. Perhaps reduce spells and skills % working by 35%, therefor a warrior who is manacled isnt as dangerous as he was when he wasnt. And mages wouldnt be totaly useless when manacled. 1) A device for confining the hands, usually consisting of a set of two metal rings that are fastened about the wrists and joined by a metal chain. Off the top of my head, the only spell a mage should be able to cast while his hands are restrained is ventriloquate. > Make manacles pk only. Even better make guards as well pk only. Crime would go up significantly. I know I would take advantage of that and laugh at the Arbiter. Arbiter = Frustrated. Arbiter Deletes. People in that Arbiters range breath easier. > PS: Solution: Don't break the Law! It is up to the Arbiter's discretion what they want to return or not. Hell, they deserve to take your equipment. If you have anything decent you probably have given them a run for their money. Which I mean is at least an hour of REAL TIME chasing. They could have spent that time re-equipping, but couldn't... because they are bound by responsibility. > - Perhaps make it so guards cannot loot corpses. Unrealistic. > - Make all mob associated wanted kills like old Nt, you dont actually die , you end up in a cell - nakid. Eq dested. 24 ticks. I'd rather be killed with an exp hole than to be in a cell for a day. > - Have a place where you can hand yourself in, where you end up in a cell with no eq for 24 ticks. Step 1: Break Law Blah.
> First of all some little tid bit side notes.
> - This mud has changed alot in the last couple years.****** BUT ******* It is not compulsary 100% to rp to ones best ability. A couple years ago cf was quiet relaxed and people would talk about the superbowl or olympics over Cb, they would talk about a nice party they went to or what ever. The players then didnt care if they rped or not.
> Some of the newer players have come to the assumption that you have to be a Good Rper to play at cf. That is total fucking bullshit. You can rp if you want and the Immortals might grant you a benifit for doing so. Titles are often granted for small well preformed roleplaying.
> - Imbrogno, I've read some of your replies and i think your a prime example of a what not to do-be person. You discriminate against those who dont roleplay well. It shouldnt make a difference if they roleplay or not.
> You dont need them to raid, cabals where a criminal might be in.
man·a·cle - noun
2) Something that confines or restrains.
> Greedy arbiters, You all know who you are.
> The policy of returning some equipment is so bent it isnt funny, You all take what you need and return the rest, I got a flag for pking in town, my first flag was a level 48. I decided to hand myself in. The arbiter said as my punishment I would recieve nothing in return. I later found out that he had just died. (personaly i would have killed myself, but it was against my rp and my set tho nice wasnt elite.)
Step 2: Drop equipment somewhere
Step 3: Turn self in
Step 4: Make snack
Step 5: Eat snack
Step 6: Wash face, hands
Step 7: Tap foot while waiting the last 3-5 ticks.
Step 8: Get equipment
Step 9: Laugh at how you evaded true punishment