Posted by *ORB* on August 26, 2000 at 12:41:24:

Let's see why the Cabal is now filled with Conjurer's and semi-newbies. Notice I didn't say everyone is a newbie, there are some die hard Master fans like myself who still play them.

Master:
Tome - Speeds up learning spells slightly, basically only valuable if you don't have time to practice.
Transform- Useless to all but Conjurers and newbies who can't find Barrier rods. To all others it's just convienent.
Scourge-Semi usefull, though since it's been toned down, basically only Really usefull for Conjurers and transmuters.
Control Magic- Again just makes things easier, doesn't really give added power, most usefull to Invokers.

I think most people would agree, Masters powers were turned from Power adding, to simply Time savers.

Compare this to:
Sylvan Mage: Strengthen, beast call, insect swarm, wall of thorns, Hands down 10 times better powers.
Imperial: For someone who isn't supposed to have great cabal powers I would rather have Invoke and orderly mind then tome and transform any day.
Entropy: Disperse- great for rager gangbangs, chaos flame- not quite scourge, Dopple- Great for Muters and Necros, Gibberish and confuse- I'll trade these for tome and transform as well.

From a roleplay perspective, It's like Masters went from the World's most powerfull mages, To the laziest, all the powers are based on just making things easier. I mean even the help files say They believe in Power through Knowledge, Discipline.
My answer allow Barrier Rods with Transform. It makes thier main power usefull for all classes not just Conjurers. And before you say Join another Cabal if I don't like the way things have changed for Masters, I like to roleplay the Master character type, thus I have little interest in Sylvan, Empire, Entropy etc.

FLAME ON------------

Follow Ups:

• Masters would do fine with no cabal powers at all. Kentai 18:55:56 8/26/2000 (3)
  • That won't happen much... A.. No invokers in the Tower at this time that have shields. and there isn't a whole lot of unity either NT Master 19:20:06 8/26/2000 (2)
    • Hey! (nt) Strelno 21:16:16 8/26/2000 (1)
      • You havn't been around in a month, and even when you are you always had your agenda. n/t MASTER 06:32:44 8/27/2000 (0)
• 1 question, 2 comments. Tracker of the Wicked(VIP) 14:48:36 8/26/2000 (17)
  • Re: 1 question, 2 comments. Aristobulous 21:12:38 8/26/2000 (1)
    • Conjurers are the exception. (nt) Aristobulous 21:18:31 8/26/2000 (0)
  • IN addition Old Master 15:05:40 8/26/2000 (7)
    • Your listening, but your not hearing me..... *ORB* 15:16:40 8/26/2000 (6)
      • Good grief... Rome 15:36:40 8/26/2000 (1)
        • ragged cloak NT Err 15:39:05 8/26/2000 (0)
      • I think it's supposed to be "hearing, but not listening", just for future reference. NT Err 15:23:54 8/26/2000 (3)
        • Wrong...nt *ORB* 15:50:01 8/26/2000 (2)
          • I think you better look into it. NT Err 15:51:55 8/26/2000 (1)
            • After further review, I'm wrong, opps. nt/ *ORB* 15:58:35 8/26/2000 (0)
  • Well..... *ORB* 14:57:25 8/26/2000 (6)
    • Re: Well..... TotW 15:12:32 8/26/2000 (5)
      • This is going to be a long thread,:) *ORB* 15:30:26 8/26/2000 (1)
        • Ok, I'll think about what you just said, and get back if I come up with something valuable/interesting :) n/t TotW 15:38:39 8/26/2000 (0)
      • Caveat: or gnome invoker who trains all mana. But..that's the same thing, isn't it? n/t Umm 15:19:09 8/26/2000 (0)
      • No, it really doesn't. If an immortal came and offered you permanent barrier or transform, were you not a crackhead, you would take barrier. n/t Umm 15:18:40 8/26/2000 (1)
        • Me? I would take transform and combine it with sanc nt Kimidan 18:24:46 8/26/2000 (0)
• I would be interested to hear Nep thoughts on the matter. NT Beladorizid 14:47:00 8/26/2000 (0)
• Ick, not Masters?... SB 14:42:39 8/26/2000 (0)
• Are you trying to say you're not a newbie? (N/T) Za Zan 13:56:53 8/26/2000 (1)
  • Nah, hes a conjurer. (N/T) SB 14:44:34 8/26/2000 (0)
• Re: The decay of Master, why it's basically Newbies, and Conjurer's now. Pendragon_Surtr 13:55:37 8/26/2000 (0)
• The powers now reflect what the cabal is suppose to be... (: Kingsley :) 13:48:26 8/26/2000 (11)
  • Discipline and knowledge isn't super HP and uber powers. TSM 14:01:35 8/26/2000 (8)
    • Did you read the Quote? They use Discipline and knowledge for magical power. And Uber powers?! come on give me a break. nt *ORB* 14:08:40 8/26/2000 (5)
      • If you could have all the things you wanted..they would be uber powers TSM 14:14:43 8/26/2000 (4)
        • One thing, which they used to have, even before Ragers got Hooked up. *ORB* 14:24:09 8/26/2000 (3)
          • A few things.. TSM 14:32:13 8/26/2000 (2)
            • Ok my Idea for new Master Powers. *ORB* 14:48:59 8/26/2000 (1)
              • Yeah, also... Narev 17:31:42 8/26/2000 (0)
    • this was supposed to be under *ORB* 's post....n/t TSM 14:02:43 8/26/2000 (0)
    • this was supposed to be under *ORB* 's post....n/t TSM 14:02:24 8/26/2000 (0)
  • From the help file "The Masters of the Five magic seek po1wer through discipline, knowledge," I don't see a cabal for newbie mages that need help to learn thier spells in that, do you? n/t *ORB* 13:53:03 8/26/2000 (1)
    • Hmm Quote again, "The Masters of the Five magic seek Power through discipline, knowledge, and magic." n/t *ORB* 13:55:22 8/26/2000 (0)
• Welcome to Reality. An Observer 12:51:33 8/26/2000 (5)
  • There is irony in this post. nt Imbrogno(VIP) 13:13:43 8/26/2000 (3)
    • That was a -useless- post, VIP'S please delete (N/t) Graham 05:39:05 8/27/2000 (0)
    • Wow! UR KEWL IMBROGNO! U KNOW 3L33T SECRETS! How Graatchian of you. Yes, I'm aware of where the irony is, and no, he does a hell of a lot for CF and I'd say that justifies whatever irony you find. n/t An Observer 15:15:52 8/26/2000 (1)
      • Wow, you sure read a lot into an n/t post Spedward. nt Imbrogno(VIP) 15:20:05 8/26/2000 (0)
  • No point in giving answers to problems, the imms never listen to the players. n/t Auwewb 12:59:20 8/26/2000 (0)

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