I don't like this idea. Way too much time investment only to find out that your final final form sucks. (n/t)

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August 12, 2013 02:26AM
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am i the only one who think that air/offense shifters are OP?

thomas August 11, 2013 04:02AM

Some of my characters struggle with them, tempted to make chars that are prime to slaughter them

Zheeser August 12, 2013 11:04AM

The hugest hard counter to mages I can see is calming/landslide pole.

Scrimbul August 13, 2013 04:58AM

Giant sword spec with cursed swords destroys this build. nt

FrostyTheGiant August 13, 2013 05:29AM

Those are not that common anymore, every moron seems to think dex is where it's at except for veteran warrior players.

Scrimbul August 13, 2013 07:30AM

Last I checked there's actually one right now.

Death_Claw August 14, 2013 05:52PM

....AND he deleted. n/t

Death_Claw August 15, 2013 04:36AM

Entangle can fail? (n/t)

PaulO August 13, 2013 05:13AM

He means that if you push rangers to civilized via landslide, entangle is of vastly reduced effectiveness. (n/t)

vortexmagus August 13, 2013 06:09AM

Entangle becomes less of a problem when it has a 3 round lag instead of a 1 round lag. It's not that hard to landslide him to the dried streambed or in front of the Fort outer for instance, or to a razed on-fire room. (n/t)

Scrimbul August 13, 2013 07:37AM

Swampmire also becomes useless if you can punch through the evade, and then you can use entrap or dirt kick creatively to disarm the ranger weapon and prevent return talisman brandishing. (n/t)

Scrimbul August 13, 2013 07:34AM

Not that I know, but damage seems to have a fairly high variance. Could be due to folks saving for half damage or reduced damage. (n/t)

Matrik August 13, 2013 05:55AM

A (plagarized) idea that hits two birds with one stone

butterfly August 11, 2013 08:34AM

i would but i cannot post on the officials. (n/t)

thomas August 11, 2013 08:45AM

The real assholes are the air/off shifters who do nothing but try to pick you off when you're wounded, and then BITCHBITCHBITCH when you flee.

Frosty August 11, 2013 07:54AM

If an air/offense shifter bitched at me for fleeing I'd die laughing. n/t

Death_Claw August 12, 2013 07:10AM

Met two of them who did this

Elystan August 11, 2013 08:06AM

Nuh uh. I'm entitled to fun and winning. How dare you deny me?! (n/t)

sevriis August 11, 2013 07:55AM

I've played both sides of the coin....

Welverin August 11, 2013 07:26AM

I think fly is a little too easy to get away with.

Ş̡̨̛̛̳̟̗̩̻͈̻̲̫̟̙͍̫͖̹̩̠̠̪̦̤̜͚̟̍̈́͗̂̈̾͐̔̅͐̓̓̀̍̌̇̄̎̀̏͊̑̊̔͆̉̌̏̂̓̋̉͋̅͌̑̀͊͂̓̌̉͋̈́͋͆̄̎͆̉̐̈͊̏̊̂͒̊̈́̒̀́̃̀́̊̔̔̒̚͘͠͠͠͝͝tÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í August 11, 2013 04:58AM

This

asthiss August 11, 2013 05:09AM

I think if they couldnt fly away inside of an enemy cabal area period it would be more balanced.

Ş̡̨̛̛̳̟̗̩̻͈̻̲̫̟̙͍̫͖̹̩̠̠̪̦̤̜͚̟̍̈́͗̂̈̾͐̔̅͐̓̓̀̍̌̇̄̎̀̏͊̑̊̔͆̉̌̏̂̓̋̉͋̅͌̑̀͊͂̓̌̉͋̈́͋͆̄̎͆̉̐̈͊̏̊̂͒̊̈́̒̀́̃̀́̊̔̔̒̚͘͠͠͠͝͝tÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í August 11, 2013 05:16AM

Ewww erected magic. (n/t)

Matrik August 11, 2013 06:31AM

Well those were not mints you just ate. (n/t)

Ş̡̨̛̛̳̟̗̩̻͈̻̲̫̟̙͍̫͖̹̩̠̠̪̦̤̜͚̟̍̈́͗̂̈̾͐̔̅͐̓̓̀̍̌̇̄̎̀̏͊̑̊̔͆̉̌̏̂̓̋̉͋̅͌̑̀͊͂̓̌̉͋̈́͋͆̄̎͆̉̐̈͊̏̊̂͒̊̈́̒̀́̃̀́̊̔̔̒̚͘͠͠͠͝͝tÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í August 11, 2013 07:47AM

I think its ok.

Death_Claw August 11, 2013 04:37AM

Actually I've spammed the same direction in civilized and gotten 'no way you are still fighting' because I couldn't walk faster than they could flyto /murder

Elystan August 11, 2013 05:01AM

+1 (n/t)

butterfly August 11, 2013 12:18PM

I fought nbm's flyto scion and this happened to me. It was back on me before I could walk down the road. (n/t)

funnyone August 11, 2013 08:01AM

Superchasing with nightwalkers ftw? (n/t)

sevriis August 11, 2013 08:02AM

The log is on the board somewhere. I was Majra, felar explorer and something. I kept entangling it but didnt seem to matter. Was on me so quickly and the nightwker might have been faster (n/t)

funnyone August 13, 2013 11:24AM

Found the log, advice:

Matrik August 13, 2013 11:43AM

Your conclusion is wrong.

Death_Claw August 11, 2013 05:04AM

There are a couple of situations where AP is basically dead the moment someone types in "flyto AP".

sevriis August 11, 2013 06:54AM

Same could be said of cheapshot thief or binder thief.

Death_Claw August 11, 2013 05:15PM

Are there ways that shifters could be made into more of a time investment but make them less bad?

Ş̡̨̛̛̳̟̗̩̻͈̻̲̫̟̙͍̫͖̹̩̠̠̪̦̤̜͚̟̍̈́͗̂̈̾͐̔̅͐̓̓̀̍̌̇̄̎̀̏͊̑̊̔͆̉̌̏̂̓̋̉͋̅͌̑̀͊͂̓̌̉͋̈́͋͆̄̎͆̉̐̈͊̏̊̂͒̊̈́̒̀́̃̀́̊̔̔̒̚͘͠͠͠͝͝tÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í August 11, 2013 01:50PM

I don't like this idea. Way too much time investment only to find out that your final final form sucks. (n/t)

semi_newbie August 12, 2013 02:26AM

Have you even played a shapeshifter before?

Ş̡̨̛̛̳̟̗̩̻͈̻̲̫̟̙͍̫͖̹̩̠̠̪̦̤̜͚̟̍̈́͗̂̈̾͐̔̅͐̓̓̀̍̌̇̄̎̀̏͊̑̊̔͆̉̌̏̂̓̋̉͋̅͌̑̀͊͂̓̌̉͋̈́͋͆̄̎͆̉̐̈͊̏̊̂͒̊̈́̒̀́̃̀́̊̔̔̒̚͘͠͠͠͝͝tÌŠÌ€ÌˆÍ’ÌÌŒÍŠÍÍŒÌÍ„ÍÌ”ÌˆÌ•Ì›Ì„Í‹ÌŽÌÍ„Í August 12, 2013 04:31PM

I'm better at getting the first attack in PK than a laggy connection should allow, unless everyone else sucks (n/t)

Elystan August 11, 2013 05:23AM

I can attest to having the same problem

asthiss August 11, 2013 05:06AM

It's the fly in the ointment of the game as far as I'm concerned

Elystan August 11, 2013 04:13AM



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