"How can you count *only* total PK Wins, but ignore the fact that both Kostyan and Mharladan have a fuck ton more hours than most characters are capable of? In the top 10 list for kills, 4 are 800+ hour characters, 6 are 700+ and only 1 is less than 400 hours. PKW/hr is a much better measure of deathfulness than total PKWins... If Djarbee didn't have Arial life span (and didn't run out of con) that character would be over 1k total kills."

Deathfulness is subjective, it means different things to different people.
Which is why I explicitly framed my argument around total PK wins. Like it or not, this was the argument.
Insects or despoil/nightwalker for killing lots of people. Anything besides that is a different argument.
It seems some are just too fucking stupid to even comprehend english.

"Nightwalker and despoil get you kills in a similar way to orc's bloody skins... You can just keep going in a way other characters cannot. This will get you kills. Probably even kills per hour since you can continue to fight when others would have to go and rest and regen HP. "

Sure. That's one aspect. My argument was specifically about "super-despoils". As I've repeated time and time again,
there are items in the game that give you close to 700 HP for 60+ hours. Leader scions probably get even *more*.
My scions have never leadered so I didn't get to see that part. If you don't think this (you can even forget nightwalker)
by itself isn't a hundred times better than insects, in terms of *killing lots of people*, then you probably never had it
or never thought about it or simply don't have the experience to recognize how game breaking it can be.

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If you want to kill someone who is tough, insects is a better option. No amount to relentlessness (and this is a trait my characters are generally known for) will do anything against a character that doesn't make mistakes. I fought and ran off Tavlin with a villager svirf pincer spec defender repeatedly, but that would *never* kill him. Insects could have... assuming I could have done similarly well against him without rager powers (which I couldn't have with that build). "

Again this wasn't part of the argument. Insects is a better option for many things. What use is bringing these sort of points up,
when they have nothing to do with what I'm claiming? I've never killed a super-skilled player with insects, they always had
orbs of travel and made sure they wouldn't be blinded long enough for them not to be able to use them.

"If you want to talk about deathfulness you *really* have to look at PKW/hr as the metric and not just PKW. Otherwise you are basically limiting it to d-elfs, fire giants, and lich's with PBFs."

I was very explicit in what I wanted to talk about. Many here tried to change my argument to something else
and argue against that, but I think you'll agree this doesn't invalidate anything of what I claimed.