But seriously?

May 12, 2009 03:49PM
Do ragers regularly walk into fights where they're fighting shielded, song buffed, hasted, sanced opponents without other advantages?

For example, two RBWs versus a warrior and a healer, I'd say that its at least even, or maybe an advantage to the ragers. This is less true for some examples, and more true for others.

Long argument shortened: If you want to get into situations where the opponents are shielded/sanced/muter hasted, you also should get into situations where you have several ragers with resist/bard buffs/defender dressings and poultices, etc. Some matchups are less even than others, but with the right combination, the villagers can easily walk through the non-villagers, while with the right matchup the non-villagers can walk straight through the ragers.

Personally, I think team and group balance is another issue entirely, and trying to bring that up when we're discussing the power of deathblow feels I'm arguing one problem and you're arguing another and these problems aren't really related at all.

-of course- having both a transmuter and a warrior with magical dam redux ganking him is going to give a single rager a huge disadvantage. But thats irrelevant - having two ragers ping pong a single warrior in between them (you know what I mean - when the second rager attacks after the first rager flees) is putting the prepped warrior at a huge disadvantage too. Ganking will always be unfair for the victim - that doesn't have anything to do with the balance of the game.
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I'm reading this 8 year thread about DB...

Dwoggurd May 12, 2009 11:37AM

It wouldn't be so bad if literally 4 of about every 5 battle were not berserkers.

NeverMindTheWarlocks May 13, 2009 09:57AM

Of course it's "overpowered"...

doge May 13, 2009 09:49AM

YEP

swist May 12, 2009 10:00PM

Kinda find myself agreeing with this.~

Treebeard May 13, 2009 07:50AM

Wow. You're still alive?? : ) nt

The Forsaken(VIP) May 13, 2009 04:56AM

Deathblow is overpowered...

The Forsaken(VIP) May 12, 2009 12:50PM

Why not change the level of deathblow to 45...?

_Magus_ May 12, 2009 07:20PM

Because ragers get ganked yet cannot gank in return.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 13, 2009 04:55AM

Ragers get ganked because of DB. They wouldn't get ganked with just thirst and resist. nt

Scrimbul May 13, 2009 06:12AM

Seriously, stop posting. You just make yourself look stupid.

alansmithee May 13, 2009 08:16AM

No.

Scrimbul May 13, 2009 05:41PM

Play an OP berserker and prove Graatch wrong.

DurNominator(VIP) May 15, 2009 01:41AM

The only thing that's ugly is you

alansmithee May 13, 2009 07:25PM

I'm willing to help you overcome your shortcomings.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 13, 2009 06:58PM

I always assumed it does scale as you gain titles

ExPaladin(VIP) May 13, 2009 05:00AM

It does, currently.

The Forsaken(VIP) May 13, 2009 05:35AM

All things considered, imperial training is better than deathblow.

Balrahd(VIP) May 12, 2009 07:43PM

Problem with DB is its newbie unfriendly.

cointreau May 12, 2009 10:03PM

Depends which side of the deathblow the newbie is on!~

abernyte May 12, 2009 10:46PM

Re: All things considered, imperial training is better than deathblow.

Isildur(VIP) May 12, 2009 09:45PM

That's (preps plus ganks plus class variation) what I meant by "all things considered"

Balrahd(VIP) May 12, 2009 10:03PM

Yeah, but you are forgetting Fort has inferior tactics. nt

qurdind May 13, 2009 12:27AM

Good post there. Agree with most. ~

_Magus_ May 12, 2009 09:51PM

i always thought ranking with a mage was ground for killing them

joe May 12, 2009 03:02PM

Punking them if they're dumb enough to attack you to try and help the mage is different from using it later to waste some poor solo newb. ~

bell May 12, 2009 04:20PM

Yes. Thank you.~

Blackbird May 12, 2009 01:06PM

Re: I'm reading this 8 year thread about DB...

Balrahd(VIP) May 12, 2009 11:57AM

Doesn't really have anything to do with deathblow.

Death_Claw May 12, 2009 05:57PM

I wasn't really trying to argue anything - I was just poking fun at what I *thought* was an obvious troll.. but turns out it wasn't :P n/t

Balrahd(VIP) May 13, 2009 10:13AM

somehow, I'd consider a Dwoggurd the exception, rather than the rule.~

Blackbird May 12, 2009 12:03PM

Somehow :) I thought it appropriate considering he's the poster. n/t

Balrahd(VIP) May 12, 2009 12:11PM

How about you post a fight where dwoggypoo doesn't have haste

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 12:57PM

Here's the equivalent.

Sam May 12, 2009 01:24PM

So you post a log of a rager walking straight through an unprepped fire giant

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 01:37PM

Actually in that log

Dwoggurd May 12, 2009 01:42PM

I take your point. I remember several giant flurries against my own dagger specs. Gwar. n/t

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 03:30PM

How about posting

Dwoggurd May 12, 2009 01:24PM

No Haste DOES NOT EQUAL Unprepped.

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 01:32PM

In 50% of cases

Dwoggurd May 12, 2009 01:39PM

But seriously?

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 03:49PM

Misinfo. NT

Sam May 12, 2009 01:37PM

Misinfo. NT

vortex_magus May 12, 2009 03:26PM

I'll back up his arguments for him. txt

Isildur(VIP) May 12, 2009 04:31PM

I'll tell you why this cracks me up in a pm. NT

Sam May 12, 2009 05:02PM

Humbert posted a log where he had quickness in his effects list. I assume that's what he's talking about.

Starscream May 12, 2009 03:31PM

touche, sir. Good call >.<

Blackbird May 12, 2009 12:16PM

Neither. People are still immature and db is balanced nt

slimfast May 12, 2009 11:46AM



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