Well my point was that I am not making assumptions, I've actually played enough bards to know when it becomes available and the amount of edge points it requires compared to other things where as he just likes to say silly things. And with my half drow it was simply that she was not intelligent enough to ever learn this. So is it possible with a human? Yes. If you get your int raised beyonds its normal racial max by an Imm, maybe then 22 is enough. But no base human can ever take it, same with halife. Which is fine, but my post was meant to be helpful since I've played a few bards whereas his was simply moronic.