Re: Vibrato vs Apoc Why does Vibrato win out so much?

October 08, 2011 08:25AM
Let's recap how apocalyptic overture works. It costs 30 mana, has 2 round lag and there are three "tiers" of the song

1/ fiery/icy illusion - weakest damage, significantly lower than vibrato

2/ fiery/icy ball of fire/icy - mid-range damage, should be better than vibrato but not by much

3/ fiery/icy doom - highest damage, always better than vibrato

I don't know what % chance there is to trigger a tier. (I don't know if it's 1/3rd for each or something else.) My empirical evidence shows that you get either 1/ or 3/. 2/ happens rarer.

There is definitely one edge to improve apocalyptic overture - insinuative overture - but it does NOT improve damage. Rather if your target is resistant to fire/ice, insinuative overture triggers triggers the "other" element. Meaning, if your target is resistant to fire, you are more likely to sing "icy" overture.

Also, there are *rumors* that apocalyptic overture tiers are based on luck. So it's possible that lucky edge will help. (I am personally a bit skeptical.)

Let's recap how vibrato works. It costs 40 mana, has 2 round lag and only has one "tier". It also has a potential to lag the opponent (which potential becomes quite consistent in epic repertoire).



So looking at the two recaps, even just from the damage perspective, vibrato is better for PK situations. It's consistent/reliable damage, not dependent on luck. (In other words, if you did 100 vibratos vs. 100 overtures, I would think overture would win but not by a large margin.) Once you throw in lag on the opponent from vibrato, vibrato wins out by a large margin.
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Vibrato vs Apoc Why does Vibrato win out so much?

funnyone October 08, 2011 07:26AM

Because in most situations lag+damage>damage. (n/t)

Gaplemo October 09, 2011 09:24AM

Not realy true about bards

alex October 09, 2011 02:35PM

Re: Vibrato vs Apoc Why does Vibrato win out so much?

Noone of significance October 08, 2011 08:25AM

Have any of you even played a bard?

Rogue October 09, 2011 01:09AM

Both apoc/vib are 2 rounds of lag in any repertoire (to the singer) (n/t)

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 05:12AM

Misinfo nt

Rogue October 09, 2011 08:21AM

Just tested it in all four repertoires, 2 round lag on apoc/vib to singer (n/t)

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 09:06AM

I don't know why I'm getting dragged into this (stxt)

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 09:08AM

Definition inside

Rogue October 09, 2011 09:55AM

You wrote all of that why? Prove nothing and sound like alansmith. Pat yourself on the back (n/t)

funnyone October 10, 2011 02:24AM

Why am I not suprised of everyone out here, Krilcov can't understand this post.

Rogue October 10, 2011 03:25AM

So what repertoire increases the lag on those songs? (n/t)

alex October 09, 2011 02:44PM

I seem to recall apoc being 3

daurwyn(VIP) October 09, 2011 07:01AM

Piercing is strange, sometimes 2, sometimes 3, apoc/vib are always consistently 2 (n/t)

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 08:10AM

Check the logs? Bards spamming it every two rounds. (n/t)

vortexmagus October 09, 2011 07:56AM

Re: Have any of you even played a bard?

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 05:10AM

Small Spoon

Rogue October 09, 2011 08:25AM

Lol

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 09:12AM

It's not an argument, you're wrong, Period.

Rogue October 09, 2011 09:56AM

/hug (n/t)

Noone of significance October 09, 2011 10:30AM

Chill. He just came and asked a question

daurwyn(VIP) October 09, 2011 03:40AM

Re: Chill. He just came and asked a question

Rogue October 09, 2011 08:22AM

You misunderstand

daurwyn(VIP) October 09, 2011 12:42PM

Exactly

Rogue October 09, 2011 02:06PM

Great. Now he can decide when critism is just or unjust. (n/t)

superisisman October 09, 2011 08:07AM

One thing you missed

daurwyn(VIP) October 08, 2011 11:10AM

Good point. Also, inferno causes immolation for a short amount of time. (n/t)

Noone of significance October 08, 2011 11:40AM

And the frigid doom has a chance to instill a chill touch

zannon October 08, 2011 01:06PM

Vibrato has variable lag, I believe depending on repertoire and instrument. (n/t)

vortexmagus October 08, 2011 08:21AM

Lag (n/t)

daning October 08, 2011 07:44AM



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