If you roll duergar, don't count on dwarves forging for you.

December 24, 2011 07:01AM
Only really powergamey ones would even consider it.

Also, you neglect to mention that by rolling duergar, you lose out on some of the best swords in the game, and have a much more limited selection of cursed weapons you can use. Its a lot easier to find the best two-handed swords than it is to find the best one-handed swords. Equipment is critical for build optimization, in my opinion.

Duergar have slightly better stats than fire giants, but a much worse vuln selection.

I'd take cry of thunder over gates anyday, haste by default increases your damage, adding more attacks and better defenses, and the healing from the warcry is hella useful too.

Finally, if you're running gates, you're very limited in your armor choices. You already have a lot to gear for - you want +str/+dex, damroll, and a bunch of other stuff. Adding a/c just seems to me like you'd be stretching your optimal set even thinner and more patchwork. Furthermore, if you're planning on running dern armor, that basically kills off your stat edge on duergar, as dern armor is like -20 dex for the whole set. Any fire giant will have better strength AND better dex than your duergar wearing dern armor.

Sorry to crush your dreams, but really, your build is all screwed up.
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Try this build for a rager(for angry fatso)

Demtok December 23, 2011 11:08PM

What are the stat values on bloodthirst and cry of thunder? n/t

Forsooth December 24, 2011 11:36AM

Cry is 14dam 5str 5con I think. The hit/sv part is a little better than normal too. (n/t)

Coumidin December 24, 2011 01:22PM

Thank you. I had a Cry warrior a few years ago, but I didnt log the affects. n/t

Forsooth December 24, 2011 02:12PM

If you roll duergar, don't count on dwarves forging for you.

vortexmagus December 24, 2011 07:01AM

I love you Vortex, but you're wrong. You need to play a dwarf/duergar or ID the whole set of derns on a mage again sometime. (n/t)

Scrimbul December 24, 2011 08:07PM

I've played two dwarves and a duergar to hero. Total around... 700-800 hours?

vortexmagus December 25, 2011 07:00AM

Dwoggurd was a sword spec, right? (n/t)

Kez December 25, 2011 03:57PM

With gates, all dern armor = fail

jmc December 25, 2011 09:20AM

Questions:

Forsooth December 25, 2011 10:34AM

It's my understanding...

wrathpuppet December 25, 2011 10:51AM

That interesting.

vortexmagus December 25, 2011 02:12PM

I don't think that the -AC from stoneskin counts towards Gates.

wrathpuppet December 25, 2011 02:30PM

Gates does peak out where you can't get any more dam resist.

Batman December 25, 2011 02:18PM

Re: It's my understanding...

Forsooth December 25, 2011 11:10AM

They do not. (n/t)

wrathpuppet December 25, 2011 11:16AM

I think like...-120? Forgot the exact figure.

jmc December 25, 2011 10:35AM

Also, your statement is flawed

jmc December 25, 2011 09:25AM

No, your reading of my argument is flawed.

vortexmagus December 25, 2011 02:07PM

I'll be proving this build in the future. (n/t)

Demtok December 24, 2011 06:24PM

You're wrong in so many ways. n/t

jmc December 24, 2011 01:32PM

So much wrong in this post... (n/t)

ORB December 24, 2011 01:04PM

Re: There is so much misinformation in this post its hilarious.

hug December 24, 2011 12:21PM

Do the math?

vortexmagus December 25, 2011 06:54AM

Dwarf forging for a duergar? Meh at best. (n/t)

randomthinker December 24, 2011 04:53AM

Ask Taerg, he never went anywhere without a forged weapon (n/t)

Demtok December 24, 2011 06:14PM

My thoughts on this

Sugabear December 24, 2011 04:13AM

I think the highest damroll I can normally attain is about 55-60

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid December 24, 2011 01:51AM

It's "easy" to ger for 80+ damroll on just about any char. If you want to give up +dex/str and saves. (n/t)

deriveh December 24, 2011 09:43AM

I can't wait for hell to reopen. Gawd is that gear heaven or what... (n/t)

Demtok December 24, 2011 06:23PM

It is if you dont have an RP restriction against entering it...

Forsooth December 25, 2011 12:29PM



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