Well,

December 15, 2016 10:08AM
I think you'd have to subdivide things out a bit then. As far as raw pk skill, in-fight awareness, skill usage etc goes... then yeah, I would put myself into top-tier consideration. But when discussing the top-tier pker list, I don't prep hard enough nor do I play conservatively enough to truly sustain long term high pk percentage to really deserve a place at that table. (with the one exception being when I play shaman)

My strength and weakness is actually one and the same. My hyper-aggression holds me back, but at the same time it also makes me a threat to almost everyone I fight.

However, whether or not you put me above the prep whores, (and thank you, truly, for doing that. High praise coming from you.) Prep whoring is still part of the game and I was factoring that into the conversation. A strong prep whore will likely have a much 'stronger' character that is more widely considered a 'top-tier' pker. For instance, I might go 150-70 with a warrior in 200 hours. However, the top tier pkers can go north of 300 pks and sub 100 deaths over the course of 400 hours. That gap is what I think separates the consensus absolute top tier pkers over the 'high end' pkers (of which I would include myself)
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WM vs world (assorted fights, no deaths)

LogFiend 644 December 14, 2016 12:10PM

I really enjoy the WM logs

starbright 345 December 14, 2016 09:32PM

I agree with this almost completely. I think WM is top tier

TheShamanman 477 December 14, 2016 09:44PM

I've always felt the overall PK competance level of the mud has improved as the PB got smaller (n/t)

TJHuron 318 December 15, 2016 06:21AM

Maybe overall the floor has risen, but I think the ceiling is rather lonely

TheShamanman 438 December 15, 2016 08:50AM

Dude

dhargor 509 December 15, 2016 09:09AM

I'm really not playing

daurwyn(VIP) 358 December 16, 2016 12:43PM

I wouldn't put Daurwyn or Rhyl in a top tier pk conversation. At least not solo. Rhyl is a beast when it comes to teamfighting though. (Nor would I put myself into that conversation. But I would put you there.) (n/t)

TheShamanman 386 December 15, 2016 09:12AM

I'd say at least Daurwyn, alex, beront, rhyaldrin and shapa are on WM's level, Amora also

Kstatida 331 December 15, 2016 09:53AM

NBM is absolutely in that group, but I think he still plays. I was listing players who had left. That void isn't being filled by others replacing them. The top-tier pkers that are still here are absolutely still top tier, there's just less of them. (n/t)

TheShamanman 371 December 15, 2016 10:09AM

Meh...

NbM(VIP) 393 December 15, 2016 09:16AM

Well,

TheShamanman 350 December 15, 2016 10:08AM

This depends on a build

Kstatida 382 December 15, 2016 09:32AM

Re: This depends on a build

TheShamanman 472 December 15, 2016 10:17AM

They both played strong chars last year

dhargor 458 December 15, 2016 09:15AM

I don't know if I can roll a villager :( NT

Sam 279 December 15, 2016 10:45PM

Yeah. You're right. I'll stand corrected on that. (n/t)

TheShamanman 366 December 15, 2016 10:10AM

I gank so well that I get bad rep for it.

Rhyaldrin 354 December 15, 2016 03:19PM

You were terrible for the first half of Sindrir's life my man. You were usually the 4th man on a 5 man gank :) NT

Sam 315 December 15, 2016 10:43PM

He fought a TON solo. Lots. (n/t)

Frosty 277 December 15, 2016 11:21PM

No.

Rhyaldrin 385 December 15, 2016 10:51PM

I was talking pre-hero Sindrir :)

Sam 325 December 15, 2016 11:47PM

Not really.

Rhyaldrin 452 December 16, 2016 12:13AM

Well, as some of those showed...it was during Bemused and deathkitty's love affair :)

Sam 331 December 16, 2016 02:04AM

Huh. I'm really surprised there aren't more pks there for that long lived of an Emperor. No slight on you, I thought Sindrir was tough, I just expected more pks (n/t)

TheShamanman 356 December 15, 2016 11:34PM

I'm not saying you're just a ganker or anything, Granted I'm remember mainly Athioles and Rhyaldrin, so my memory may be slanted. I'm saying I think you're very good in the team-fighting atmosphere of cabals. Timing lag, keeping track of the chaos, etc. (n/t)

TheShamanman 369 December 15, 2016 04:21PM

A lot of the "better" DM players are really good at group fights. NT

Sam 302 December 15, 2016 10:44PM

Fair point.

Rhyaldrin 350 December 15, 2016 04:45PM

Re: Fair point.

Bryntor 404 December 15, 2016 04:57PM

I never thought of you as a ganker

Quas 316 December 15, 2016 04:04PM

I plan on merging the two.

Rhyaldrin 301 December 15, 2016 04:44PM

Also - Alex - last char - 350pk or something n/t

dhargor 261 December 15, 2016 09:33AM

Which one was that? (n/t)

Frosty 273 December 15, 2016 10:28AM

Tiiga (n/t)

bloodmoon 370 December 15, 2016 12:33PM

Tiiga had 350PKs? Hot Damn! (n/t)

Frosty 325 December 15, 2016 01:48PM

380 (n/t)

Rhyaldrin 278 December 15, 2016 08:24PM

Yeah. I don't think any of his foes have a real chance of taking him down reliably

starbright 342 December 14, 2016 11:12PM

Yeah. I can't tell if that's because he doesn't have any competent bad matchups for him in the hero ranks right now, or is it a reflection of general pk skill in the current hero ranks, where WM is just above the current crop head and shoulders. (n/t)

TheShamanman 375 December 15, 2016 03:36AM

He seems to have a bottomless prep bag

Quas 287 December 15, 2016 05:03AM

Re: He seems to have a bottomless prep bag

demos 325 December 15, 2016 04:29PM

I reckon if you're disciplined about playing during quiet hours when you need preps that might work (n/t)

starbright 232 December 15, 2016 05:08AM

I'll give you that-- Fortlander perma is real, and real shameless. (n/t)

wasted 344 December 14, 2016 12:18PM

I really think we should just formally merge 4 cabals.

Rhyaldrin 348 December 14, 2016 08:58PM

Yeah, especially since Fort seems the most Active Cabal atm

Brujah 397 December 14, 2016 02:38PM

Yes, it's lame they did not go for the Codex. Could have been epic, but now just like with that damn tootsie-pop we'll never know. (n/t)

Frosty 324 December 14, 2016 05:36PM

Precisely my meaning (n/t)

Brujah 319 December 14, 2016 07:59PM

So now there is a perma between two seperate cabals? This is interesting.

Frosty 427 December 14, 2016 01:11PM

Basically it's the CF world vs Empire at this point.

Rhyaldrin 317 December 14, 2016 08:58PM

Village also aiding fort. Which is almost stranger. (n/t)

demos 290 December 14, 2016 09:02PM

Two separate permas, but they combine. Like Voltron. (n/t)

wasted 302 December 14, 2016 03:17PM



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