Re: You've named THE strongest... what are the weakest and are orcs one of them?

April 08, 2008 02:42PM
I will give you my definition of strong and weak.
As i said i'm a relatively new player but i've played quite a few characters
already, know a lot of preps and am quite comfortable with a lot of classes.

I know i can play an assassin/ranger/daggerspec/transmuter/necro and do quite
well. I also know that if i play an orc i'll have to be extremely conservative with
my playing style and i'll still get my ass handed to me very often (especially these
days with so many assassins/rangers/dagger specs/transmuters around).

It is easy reading Kubilak logs to say that orcs are fine but a few logs do not
prove that orcs are a strong class. Logs of kubilak bashing down assassins for
instance (extremely stupid tactics from assassin side) or some old ones he has
posted in the past of him killing two rangers who were utter pillocks. The surpise
for an orc player comes when you try to kill ppl who know what they're doing.

Orc vs knowledgable dexy assassin with perfected defenses/weapons = dead orc
Orc vs knowledgable ranger = dead orc (how helpless and dominated orcs are against rangers in the wilds is quite funny,
no other class comes close i think)
Orc vs knowledgable dagger spec = dead orc
and you could go on and on and on (and pill popping doesn't help in a lot of these scenarios)

Kubilak said that a lot of his opponents were taken by surprise because they were
expecting to mop the floor with the orc and this is true and evident in a lot of his logs.
I believe that a lot of his opponents had not played a lot of orcs before or had no clue
of high level orc tactics that is why they acted stupidly and got killed. I don't think a player
who knows what orcs are about (has played some himself) is going to have any problems
destroying an orc player. The unreliability of orc skills only seems to reinforce this.
Subject Author Views Posted

If we are talking about winning without bash - vs Air/Offense shifter (ORCISH BANE!)

Andriy 993 April 08, 2008 12:11PM

Glorious victory

Dwoggurd 664 April 08, 2008 12:23PM

I agree with Dwoggurd for 100% n/t

Elhe 346 April 08, 2008 05:34PM

I would quote one of famous Russian poet here

Andriy 1230 April 08, 2008 12:30PM

So you confirm our point

Dwoggurd 512 April 08, 2008 12:38PM

You can think whatever you wish

Andriy 565 April 08, 2008 12:51PM

Orcs are pathetically weak. (text)

lightmage 575 April 08, 2008 02:31PM

You just wrote a guide

Dwoggurd 535 April 08, 2008 01:10PM

Terrible argument...

debriguy 508 April 08, 2008 01:29PM

High PK score != strongest PKiller

Dwoggurd 545 April 08, 2008 01:32PM

What's your measuring stick then? n/t

Balrahd(VIP) 369 April 08, 2008 01:34PM

I believe you understand

Dwoggurd 515 April 08, 2008 01:49PM

I'll second all of this

daurwyn(VIP) 466 April 08, 2008 11:20PM

A lot of people still take cheap kills like that as often as they can...

Yhorian(VIP) 489 April 09, 2008 02:56AM

Re: I believe you understand

Isildur(VIP) 419 April 08, 2008 02:43PM

That makes sense, I was just curious if you had some objective measuring stick.

Balrahd(VIP) 435 April 08, 2008 02:18PM

There is no simple measure

Dwoggurd 469 April 08, 2008 02:36PM

Re: There is no simple measure

Isildur(VIP) 438 April 08, 2008 02:46PM

Try these

Dwoggurd 548 April 08, 2008 03:09PM

Is there a necromancer ranking FAQ?

_Magus_ 479 April 08, 2008 04:00PM

They suck till 35.

cointreau 479 April 08, 2008 04:21PM

Yeah, but how do you get to 35?

_Magus_ 449 April 08, 2008 04:27PM

There's a special item that you can get a low level

jmc 578 April 08, 2008 06:15PM

To level 25 ???

Rodriguez 469 April 09, 2008 04:10AM

Well if you exclusively play evils, you get the hang of good ranking places n/t

jmc 443 April 09, 2008 08:05AM

So? What's your measuring stick? txt

debriguy 444 April 08, 2008 02:05PM

Re: So? What's your measuring stick? txt

Death_Claw 433 April 08, 2008 03:56PM

Orcs are weak

Dwoggurd 477 April 08, 2008 02:11PM

nt

debriguy 441 April 08, 2008 02:16PM

Re: You've named THE strongest... what are the weakest and are orcs one of them?

debriguy 450 April 08, 2008 02:22PM

No, Dwoggurd pretty much got it right... NT

Sam 416 April 08, 2008 05:15PM

Re: You've named THE strongest... what are the weakest and are orcs one of them?

zoskia 541 April 08, 2008 02:42PM



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