Re: Saguntius gone

jmc
December 12, 2013 12:11PM
You gotta weight the pro-con. I didn't get fire control until I hit 51.

Level 36 - 41
Pro: Typically easier kill, less likely that you will lose your weapon, no need to massively go abs to get kills through iceball spam
Con: No iron grip (unless level 40), likely no barrier (deathblow/wrath still hurts), chances of getting more than 1 charge, if that, per kill is low, less people to pk (especially based on the playerbase).

Don't even consider level 42-50 - you get passed level 41, you powerrank to hero. No discussion.

Level 51
Pro: Lots more people to kill, you get barrier (I didn't find my sleek black until WAY later - I used the 4 or 5 limited black sources that I knew and never had a prolem with barrier), when you kill people more charges, typically better equipment
Con: Must rely on a/b/s (for the naysayers, I don't care - you go abs or you delete your character as an AP), more badasses that can kill you, more roving ganks, healers annoy the crap out of you, STSF, legacies, characters with rewards, deathblow does unspeakable

I went past 41 because I didn't have anyone to kill. I expected people like Voralia and Gilut would have 5-6 charges, but alas, wasn't meant to be. But regardless, the amount of charges I accrued at level 51 was worth it.

And Spear? Really? Cmon, only thing spear is good for is vaulting. And you should only vault when you have them slept. And chances of sleeping them at level 51 is pretty low. Not to mention you don't have the ability to crippling strike or lashlag them
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Saguntius gone

Elystan 702 December 12, 2013 07:30AM

I get it, I really do....

Welverin 451 December 13, 2013 03:52AM

I don't remember doing that, but if I did you certainly deserved it

Elystan 399 December 13, 2013 04:06AM

Wow your hypocrisy is astounding....

Welverin 402 December 13, 2013 04:11AM

It's not a precious spear, which is the point

Elystan 410 December 13, 2013 04:18AM

Whoah, whoah, whoah.

wrathpuppet 381 December 13, 2013 04:23AM

I have no idea who he played and don't remember doing it

Elystan 360 December 13, 2013 04:31AM

That's because I killed Rogaza, didn't I? (n/t)

funnyone 277 December 14, 2013 02:57AM

That was you? You killed a couple other lowbie A-P's of mine too. Goddamn reduce (n/t)

Elystan 325 December 14, 2013 02:59AM

Yep, I was becba. Becba couldn't do anything if you could bash/lag her (n/t)

funnyone 315 December 15, 2013 05:44AM

And you deserved it because of your previous characters....

Welverin 401 December 13, 2013 04:20AM

Let go of gear and play..

Wendigotorn 356 December 13, 2013 05:23AM

Whenever a pally/goodie dies to me...I loot.

Nurok 368 December 13, 2013 06:10AM

Fun fact, evil players tend to do this a lot more than goodies.

vortexmagus 336 December 17, 2013 06:14AM

I don't believe your statement is factual...nor do I believe looting has anything to do with "butthurt"

Nurok 320 December 17, 2013 06:46AM

Completely untrue. I've seen massive butthurt on both sides. (n/t)

tesline 251 December 17, 2013 06:32AM

That's not a fact

Elystan 335 December 17, 2013 06:18AM

What else do you count as flashy shit? (n/t)

wrathpuppet 259 December 13, 2013 07:42AM

It's not 100% with my looting habbits, but if you have looted me/pissed me off and you're a goodie

Nurok 373 December 13, 2013 08:12AM

I think if I play another pk intensive character. I'm going to give all goodie loot to heralds.

Wendigotorn 311 December 13, 2013 08:45AM

Re: I think if I play another pk intensive character. I'm going to give all goodie loot to heralds.

Bryntor 344 December 13, 2013 10:27AM

I still don't (n/t)

Elystan 286 December 13, 2013 06:13AM

You should - when you sac goodie stuff, often they have to wait for a reboot to request it again ;)

Nurok 318 December 13, 2013 06:15AM

When someone really pisses me off...

Death_Claw 371 December 13, 2013 08:18AM

Dude, they do it now.... I haven't thrown that fit in over a year. (n/t)

Welverin 260 December 13, 2013 06:04AM

It's not like it's gear. It's an object I'm going to have the exact same version of a few minutes after unghosting as long as I don't mob die during the process. It's unnecessary griefing. Full sac me or just leave the weapon (n/t)

Elystan 248 December 13, 2013 04:23AM

If it's not that big of a deal why the heck are you whining so much? It's not like its defiance, that takes a concerted effort with the right group to get.... I don't get it. (n/t)

Welverin 339 December 13, 2013 09:43AM

Regathering it is a fucking chore, and the person destroying the 0 charge weapon has no conceivable motivation to do it besides griefing

Elystan 294 December 13, 2013 10:12AM

Well simply put you should expect APs to full sac you at all times.

tesline 381 December 13, 2013 04:00AM

Everything you get back after dying is a gift.

Welverin 343 December 13, 2013 04:07AM

Why would my evil character give gifts to people he's just killed?

Elystan 336 December 13, 2013 04:14AM

Re: Why would my evil character give gifts to people he's just killed?

Welverin 333 December 13, 2013 04:18AM

Did you read what I wrote?

tesline 343 December 13, 2013 04:11AM

Uhm...

Welverin 340 December 13, 2013 04:15AM

Can you narrow down for me what you are playing? PMs Welcome

Wendigotorn 294 December 13, 2013 11:42AM

Feel free to try and grief me as much as you want...

Welverin 299 December 14, 2013 09:43AM

Midnight dragon gear is evil...

Death_Claw 338 December 13, 2013 08:11AM

Hold on...What is things Jerry has said for 300?

tesline 321 December 13, 2013 04:22AM

Re: don't like it don't play

Elystan 318 December 13, 2013 04:19AM

And you'll be rolling Elystan AP 12.0 soon... (n/t)

Welverin 270 December 13, 2013 04:21AM

Someday I'm totally going to roll an AP to see what's all about them.

Murphy 341 December 12, 2013 05:24PM

good job bud, marked improvement. one piece of advice

The Forsaken 322 December 12, 2013 04:45PM

Thought this one was much stronger than Nabor. (n/t)

funnyone 296 December 12, 2013 12:24PM

Yeah. Kicked your ass consistently (n/t)

Elystan 287 December 12, 2013 12:30PM

I couldn't understand how you were striking me so much. It was like I hadn't practiced spear skill. You still died to me a lot and you didn't get me once. Who beat who? (n/t)

funnyone 278 December 12, 2013 04:09PM

You still couldn't beat me after sacrificing a 30 charger (incredible luck there to log in exactly when you did) and both subsequent kills were ganks

Elystan 285 December 12, 2013 11:26PM

It wasnt a gang you fucking idiot.

funnyone 324 December 13, 2013 02:01AM

I didn't have any protections up in any of our 1vs1's

Elystan 321 December 13, 2013 02:18AM

Your memory's as good as your Internet connection. You got destroyed many times by me. You should've mentioned the full sac to me. I would've made you delete much sooner. (n/t)

funnyone 309 December 13, 2013 01:55AM

My memory is far better than yours.

Elystan 307 December 13, 2013 02:07AM

Dude, I think you need to just back off CF. I feel for the next AP that comes up through the ranks very quickly. I might just OOC full loot you for your talking shit on here. (n/t)

funnyone 304 December 14, 2013 03:02AM

If you don't want to be called out as being a coward who mouths off, don't be a coward who mouths off (n/t)

Elystan 254 December 14, 2013 03:09AM

Under the same reasoning Sek should of been fulled on every death.

tesline 303 December 14, 2013 03:05AM

Bloodlust? (n/t)

Murphy 265 December 12, 2013 05:18PM

Seriously though Nabor was much stronger at hero he was just linkdead the whole time (n/t)

Elystan 305 December 12, 2013 12:35PM

You have a better connection now? (n/t)

Drokk 279 December 12, 2013 12:37PM

Not perfect, but no longer losing link for minutes at a time several times an hour (n/t)

Elystan 249 December 12, 2013 12:49PM

Re: Saguntius gone

jmc 460 December 12, 2013 12:11PM

You pretty much summed up why I prefer fire giant AP. (n/t)

sevriis 282 December 12, 2013 06:14PM

Think you're right about the spear

Elystan 346 December 12, 2013 12:30PM

limited abs spawns a lot slower. nt

The Forsaken 268 December 12, 2013 04:43PM

I don't play AP's but wouldn't you at least want to wait until iron grip to level sit? (n/t)

Dalbrin 260 December 12, 2013 11:36AM

Not really.

Death_Claw 328 December 14, 2013 10:18PM

Only one opponent even attempted to disarm me prior to level 40, and I managed to build up a decent weapon before then

Elystan 314 December 12, 2013 12:18PM

APs are fun. I really wish you could find out your wands before 35 though.

Death_Claw 327 December 12, 2013 09:56AM

I've never sat on 36 for more than 10 kills with my APs... Then again, not played that many. Fjodir and Cawr are the ones that stick out. 2 more 100% failed ones are what I've had.

deriveh 360 December 12, 2013 08:32AM

Fjodir had barrier. Not a fair comparison to other A-P's no matter how much you try and justify it. (n/t)

Elystan 311 December 12, 2013 08:49AM

Fjodir didn't have barrier at 36, he got it at 40. And yet, he didn't stay there for very long (if I remember correctly.) I've had and seen other APs with barrier at both 36 and 40.

deriveh 386 December 12, 2013 10:02AM

I'm well aware. Many of my A-P's haven't had barrier at 51

Elystan 381 December 12, 2013 10:19AM

Ooh, one more thing...

deriveh 346 December 13, 2013 12:56PM

Dude deriveh has had....

Welverin 322 December 13, 2013 09:46AM

What's dumb is pretending barrier as a spell is no big deal (n/t)

Elystan 284 December 13, 2013 10:01AM

Okay, a list that I suggest you read:

deriveh 363 December 13, 2013 12:54PM

It's not whining, but the fact is that it IS a big deal for reasons Sevriis articulated more clearly than I did

Elystan 322 December 13, 2013 01:09PM

How long are you spending gathering wands?

wrathpuppet 359 December 13, 2013 01:28PM

Depends on your location.

Death_Claw 302 December 14, 2013 10:22PM

For sure.

wrathpuppet 309 December 15, 2013 03:48AM

You've been very lucky.

Death_Claw 319 December 17, 2013 07:24AM

Get a transmuter or necro mob for your black as an AP and you might as well delete. (n/t)

Artificial 265 December 15, 2013 09:17PM

Blind/debuff and then can't get the rod out of the corpse even if you kill them? (n/t)

wrathpuppet 274 December 16, 2013 04:31AM

Never had a black mob I could solo in a single pass

Elystan 349 December 13, 2013 02:04PM

Three things then... 1: You've had some really shitty luck, 2: You kill too few mages that you can loot wands from, 3: You need to learn CF geography and wand locations better. (n/t)

deriveh 365 December 14, 2013 02:15PM

It cuts out an entire leg of his DM circuit.

sevriis 368 December 12, 2013 02:30PM

That's actually a fairly decent asessment, though it isn't quite as simple or powerful in a MUD, but yes, that's basically the biggest advantage. (n/t)

deriveh 313 December 13, 2013 12:57PM

Sometimes taking a break gives you perspective. Link from best movie ever attached.

dubs 354 December 12, 2013 08:29AM

How many APs is this for you? (n/t)

JimmyDean 281 December 12, 2013 08:19AM

Don't even want to count right now. Expect another. (n/t)

Elystan 320 December 12, 2013 08:21AM

Have you given any other class a serious try recently? (n/t)

Frosty 263 December 12, 2013 08:26AM

No. I don't see the point in them. (n/t)

Elystan 310 December 12, 2013 08:29AM

I feel the same way - except with necros (n/t)

Bemus-ed 297 December 12, 2013 12:36PM

That is by far the BEST answer you could have given. :) You go get 'em tiger.

Frosty 380 December 12, 2013 08:38AM

I knew this was you from the instance I started talking to you.

tesline 369 December 12, 2013 07:35AM



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