The problem that I have with that...

(và² _à² )> AngryFatKid

September 29, 2013 10:21PM

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Is that if there isn't some sort of extra-terrestrial society that cares about moral decisions, then we'll eventually create it. If there isn't a soul, eventually science will allow us to create a lingering representation of ourselves that isn't dependant on our bodies for thought/emotion/hope/etc to continue. If we can't live forever, then eventually we'll figure out how to.

To me it's not so hard to believe that someone or something has been around long enough to do all that before we did, or that we're a subset of "uninitialized" cosmic culture.

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If children where not indoctrinated into any religious faith, and taught critical thinking skills. . .	ghuljun_thul	September 28, 2013 04:45AM
Yes (n/t)	Saa	October 06, 2013 05:44AM
I agree. There's always someone.	DurNominator(VIP)	October 06, 2013 09:23AM
On a slight tangent I think religion causes problems in places it doesn't have to	Rade	October 01, 2013 09:28AM
As a religious person...	chuntog	October 04, 2013 02:17AM
The answer is self preservation of the system really	Rade	October 07, 2013 08:39AM
The problem that I have with that...	(và² _à² )> AngryFatKid	September 29, 2013 10:21PM
Yes	chuntog	September 29, 2013 02:13AM
I could spend as much time writing about the Wheel of Time's layers of meaning as the Bible's	vortexmagus	September 29, 2013 03:15PM
I'm not sure what you're saying	chuntog	September 29, 2013 04:56PM
He's saying that there are plenty of good books out there.	DurNominator(VIP)	September 29, 2013 06:08PM
Where are you getting your facts? (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 04:15PM
I think most of the Bible is pretty poorly written.	wrathpuppet	September 29, 2013 05:25AM
Why yes, I think they would. They would probably regard them as slightly above, say, the fantasy novels you read for modern social commentary though. (n/t)	Scrimbul	September 28, 2013 03:04PM
yes. nt	Isildur(VIP)	September 28, 2013 12:47PM
Well it's just as good as showing children the big bang theory vs 25 years olds.	tesline	September 28, 2013 09:38AM
Sure, and most rational people would accept it as dominant scientific explanation (n/t)	cenatar	September 29, 2013 12:33PM
Yes and in the past the most dominant theories were that the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth.	tesline	September 29, 2013 04:20PM
And when evidence was given otherwise those theories changed. Christianity, among others, still believes the Earth is only a few thousand years old. (n/t)	Matrik	September 29, 2013 06:03PM
This is misleading. Most Christians don't believe that. Know your extremists. Those are Creationists. Some people also worship satan and some people believe their dogs are talking to them and their teeth pick up CIA conversations. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 06:14PM
No. Those are Christians. What you are is someone afraid of death. (n/t)	Matrik	September 29, 2013 06:28PM
In science, you don't shouldn't believe anything religiously. (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	September 29, 2013 05:20PM
True but some people do which impedes progress. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 05:22PM
No, it's really not.	vortexmagus	September 28, 2013 11:24PM
A swing and a miss.	tesline	September 29, 2013 01:50AM
Christianity is the largest single religion, but it's far from the only one which oppresses gay people or justifies atrocity.	vortexmagus	September 29, 2013 01:00PM
You're just making stuff up	chuntog	September 30, 2013 12:10AM
You keep using extremists as a way to validate your argument.	tesline	September 29, 2013 04:10PM
Wrong. Check your facts. The Pope and by extension the Vatican has spent decades campaigning against gay people.	vortexmagus	September 29, 2013 05:46PM
Read up on the current Pope you might be surprised the direction the Catholic church is going in. Yes and in America WE USED to allow slavery. We don't now. Right now the Church is moving toward tolerance and hopefully acceptance.	tesline	September 29, 2013 05:56PM
No?	Batman	October 01, 2013 04:11AM
Of course there is Zero chance of the next pope pissing all over this.	ghuljun_thul	September 30, 2013 06:31PM
That would directly contradict many tenets espoused in the bible, and would be, as I understand it, heresy.	vortexmagus	September 29, 2013 06:45PM
I don't think you understand	chuntog	October 01, 2013 02:50AM
So I know I'm late with this, Chuntog	Dalbrin	October 01, 2013 01:06PM
Why outside the Bible? (Edited: oops)	PaulO	October 01, 2013 01:18PM
No, I don't think you understand.	Batman	October 01, 2013 04:33AM
I do	chuntog	October 01, 2013 05:34AM
It's okay, we're all horrible people.	Batman	October 01, 2013 05:49AM
You don't understand.	chuntog	October 01, 2013 06:58AM
Oh, okay. (n/t)	Batman	October 03, 2013 04:24AM
I also don't understand.	wrathpuppet	October 01, 2013 04:23AM
Now you're on to something	chuntog	October 01, 2013 05:28AM
Why do you go to church on Sunday instead of the Sabbath? (n/t)	PaulO	October 01, 2013 01:27PM
Could you explain this further?	vortexmagus	October 01, 2013 12:54PM
A bit, I suppose	chuntog	October 02, 2013 02:18AM
But don't you get off the hook easily?	wrathpuppet	October 01, 2013 06:45AM
Re: But don't you get off the hook easily?	chuntog	October 01, 2013 06:54AM
See, it's just more picking and choosing from where I sit.	wrathpuppet	October 01, 2013 07:05AM
Serve the LORD with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and you perish from the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled	Artificial	September 29, 2013 06:50PM
You're joking, right? The bible commands you to kill homosexuals! If you're pro gay marriage as a christian, sorry, you're a shitty christian, but you've shown you're a more moral person than the god of your bible. (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 04:22PM
No my religion does not tell me to kill gays. The old Catholic church did believe this and they ,I am sure you can agree with this, altered the bible at several points to suit their own agenda. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 04:27PM
Ah, okay, I'll bet the parts about how to own other people as slaves were added too, right? (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 04:38PM
No I'll admit that was in there to begin with. It was how society was. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 04:50PM
That isn't an acceptable answer. God is eternal and unchanging. If his word is that it is acceptable, then it is, no matter what the times and society are like. (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 04:52PM
Again as any christian could tell you ,I'm sure your aware of this, that the bible was a book written by man and will inevitably have the same flaws and biases.	tesline	September 29, 2013 05:06PM
Jesus supported slavery as well. Slaves, obey your masters.	Artificial	September 29, 2013 05:08PM
You might believe that but it is historically believed that he did and there is more proof that he existed than a good portion of other historical figures. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 05:11PM
Zero contemporary evidence. It doesn't matter how he compares to anyone else. (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 05:35PM
Do you not consider Paul a contemporary? (n/t)	PaulO	October 01, 2013 08:51PM
Paul was not a contemporary of jesus. (n/t)	Artificial	October 05, 2013 02:34PM
The absence of proof isn't the proof of absence. Even if he didn't exist he made a bigger difference in the world than you or I will ever make. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 06:00PM
Sure, it isn't proof of absence. But having a close personal relationship with reality means not accepting claims until evidence is provided. (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 06:47PM
Yes in the same sense 90% of people before a thousand years ago didn't exist either. Since there isn't any evidence they existed. I mean there is bones but that doesn't proof they existed by name. It just shows there was people. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 06:52PM
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I'll believe there was a person with a name who lived 2000 years or more ago. I'll need more than a skeleton to believe miraculous claims. (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 07:02PM
I never claimed that is what happened. All I was saying was he existed. (n/t)	tesline	September 29, 2013 07:29PM
Lets assume someone named jesus existed. There is exactly zero reason to believe anything at all about him. He could have been a pedophile rapist (like muhammad!). In fact, he was much more likely to have been, than the nonsense stories told of him in (n/t)	Artificial	September 29, 2013 07:54PM
Let's all just agree that God doesn't exist. the bible is bullshit, and you're all insane.	Randomguy	September 29, 2013 06:56PM
90% of Christians support gay rights? I very much doubt this. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	September 29, 2013 04:15PM
Apparently I live deep within the 10%. (n/t)	ghuljun_thul	September 29, 2013 05:15PM
Re: Well it's just as good as showing children the big bang theory vs 25 years olds.	ghuljun_thul	September 28, 2013 11:10AM
Re: Gross Food Dreams.	wrathpuppet	September 28, 2013 02:37PM
Eww who the hell mixes cheddar cheese with human skin?	tesline	September 28, 2013 07:03PM
I understand and people have good reason to dislike religion.	tesline	September 28, 2013 02:04PM
My only objection is to organized religion, as it gets too easy to subvert the rules for personal gain in larger groups. I'm not naieve enough to begrudge their right to gather though. (n/t)	Scrimbul	September 28, 2013 03:06PM
They would choose Matrikulation. (n/t)	Matrik	September 28, 2013 08:20AM
Isn't that when a girl punches you in the face while steping on your dick? Sicko. (n/t)	Frosty	September 28, 2013 08:33AM
Scientology (n/t)	Elystan	September 28, 2013 06:44AM
... is a pyramid scheme with celebrity endorsements. (n/t)	sevriis	September 28, 2013 07:25AM
Yes and No.	wrathpuppet	September 28, 2013 06:16AM
Agreed. The answer to fairy tales isn't ignorance, but ridicule. (n/t)	Artificial	September 28, 2013 06:59AM
Why?	chuntog	September 29, 2013 02:15AM
Re: Why?	ghuljun_thul	September 29, 2013 05:43AM
You sure about that?	chuntog	September 29, 2013 05:48AM
The catholic church can blow me. (n/t)	ghuljun_thul	September 29, 2013 06:01AM
Thankfully	chuntog	September 29, 2013 06:19AM

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