In the U.S., people are presumed innocent until proven guilty through the due process of law. nt

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BART Police shoot Oscar Grant	PaulO	January 06, 2009 01:03PM
How many of you refuse to watch the video	Graham	January 07, 2009 10:57AM
I ignore ugly things so I can drink and smoke heavily and be happy. nt	Someone Not Special, Esquire	January 08, 2009 01:58AM
ditto, I refuse to watch it n/t	hopelessdwarf	January 07, 2009 08:48PM
I clicked it the moment I knew someone would die. I enjoy watching things like that. NT	Batman	January 07, 2009 01:19PM
I don't feel the need to see a man die, at all. The sad thing is	WraithOfLight	January 07, 2009 12:37PM
I watched it because I wanted to see what happened.	Java	January 07, 2009 12:15PM
I actually didn't think that someone would die in it.	istirith	January 07, 2009 11:54AM
If only they'd start the collosseum back up....NT	Batman	January 07, 2009 02:39PM
Well..	istirith	January 07, 2009 05:26PM
Removed - replied to wrong thread. n/t	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:50AM
Not interested in the 'reality' styled shows too much. Bloodsport? Count me in. NT	Batman	January 08, 2009 10:39AM
There is no death or blood in the video. n/(	Pro	January 07, 2009 12:41PM
I didn't watch it because I can't be bothered to dig up my youtube password. nt	Isildur(VIP)	January 07, 2009 11:51AM
It's hard to say	Lokain	January 07, 2009 11:01AM
It's a shame cops are earning such a bad name for themselves.	Yhorian(VIP)	January 07, 2009 05:53AM
Was he provoked? I didn't open the link. nt	The Forsaken(VIP)	January 07, 2009 07:00AM
Nah, in the video posted, cops had calmed it all down when the one officer just shot the dude in the back as he was on the ground. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 07:54AM
Ouch. That's bad. nt	The Forsaken(VIP)	January 07, 2009 08:24AM
That's also not what happened.	Pro	January 07, 2009 10:26AM
Really? Really? To me, the cops who DIDN'T shoot him seemed to not be too worried UNTIL their boy capped the unarmed man. PS UNARMED MAN.	Sam	January 07, 2009 12:19PM
Ummm. Yeah. Mothership is calling to you Pro n/t	Lokain	January 07, 2009 10:30AM
D.B. was not accurate.	Pro	January 07, 2009 10:52AM
He didn't just shoot him? Was there perhaps a flourish first? n/t	Graham	January 07, 2009 10:59AM
Correct. He didn't JUST shoot him.	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:20PM
Hard to say. Maybe there was verbal provocation but it appears not from the footage. nt	istirith	January 07, 2009 07:50AM
Re: It's a shame cops are earning such a bad name for themselves.	Pro	January 07, 2009 06:15AM
Gross negligence	Balrahd(VIP)	January 07, 2009 07:30AM
hRe: Gross negligence	Pro	January 07, 2009 10:30AM
Re: hRe: Gross negligence	Isildur(VIP)	January 07, 2009 01:45PM
SRe: hRe: Gross negligence	Pro	January 08, 2009 07:49AM
Re: SRe: hRe: Gross negligence	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 10:08AM
I didn't say that.	Pro	January 08, 2009 02:49PM
Re: I didn't say that.	Death_Claw	January 14, 2009 09:18AM
Except knowingly reckless isn't the standard.	Balrahd(VIP)	January 08, 2009 08:17AM
Possibly. and that supports my assertion.	Pro	January 08, 2009 02:51PM
I'm not, as a rule, a violent or hateful man... but	morocco	January 07, 2009 09:20AM
Re: I'm not, as a rule, a violent or hateful man... but	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:02AM
Maybe	morocco	January 07, 2009 11:29AM
Re: Maybe	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:39AM
What part of the Consitution, specifically, was made to protect people like this cop?	bell	January 08, 2009 06:20AM
I should have said he has the presumption of innocence	Pro	January 08, 2009 02:58PM
Hey, dipshit.	Sam	January 07, 2009 12:17PM
How was New Year's in the Land of Cleves?	HairyOrangutan	January 07, 2009 06:01AM
Welcome to America :) NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:55AM
Whatever happened to a good foot and club beating of a restrained suspect?	morocco	January 07, 2009 02:38AM
That's actually the same thing I thought watching this, huh. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:11AM
Ignorance. n/t	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:49AM
Ignorance?	morocco	January 07, 2009 11:08AM
Re: Ignorance?	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:34AM
HISTORY LESSON TIME	cyril	January 07, 2009 11:43AM
Re: HISTORY LESSON TIME	Pro	January 07, 2009 12:36PM
You do keep calling him a gangbanger	cyril	January 07, 2009 02:03PM
Re: You do keep calling him a gangbanger	Pro	January 07, 2009 03:10PM
You missed the point of the last part	cyril	January 07, 2009 04:40PM
I comprehended.	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:19PM
lolzk	cyril	January 07, 2009 06:52PM
OIS = officer involved, shooting	ExPaladin(VIP)	January 07, 2009 02:06PM
Interesting article. Thanks. nt	istirith	January 07, 2009 12:15PM
If the man who was shot did anything that would justify	enyuu	January 06, 2009 05:45PM
Go to the tazer website. You are misinformed. n/t	Pro	January 07, 2009 03:56AM
Sounds like you are thinking a stun gun, not a taser.	ExPaladin(VIP)	January 07, 2009 02:53AM
If I was asked in a court of law, why did you shoot that man 10 times.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:32AM
Re: If the man who was shot did anything that would justify	Isildur(VIP)	January 06, 2009 07:21PM
Police don't carry those little pink tazers like in your girlfriends purse.	Java	January 06, 2009 07:13PM
He wasn't really a rookie.	istirith	January 07, 2009 01:10AM
I think Deserve is the wrong word, but there has to be reprocusions. n/t	Pro	January 07, 2009 03:58AM
Googled it, you can actually have some kickin' no contact	enyuu	January 06, 2009 05:50PM
Yeah, taser guns (fires prongs with wires attached to them) are used here all the time. (nt)	cointreau	January 06, 2009 06:52PM
I have some video somewhere of me getting shot with one.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:08AM
I've never been so furious at a crowd. JESUS they pissed me off. Can't they just shut up? DAS WRONG DAGWG, DAS WRONG NT	Batman	January 06, 2009 01:22PM
Wait, an innocent man loses his life and you're posting... about the crowd? nt	PaulO	January 06, 2009 02:29PM
If they hadn't been rabble-rousing, the cop wouldn't have been flustered, and gone for the wrong weapon. nt	zen	January 07, 2009 03:40AM
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware the Cops are our supreme overlords. Last I checked, they are here to PROTECT AND SERVE US FUCKWIT. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:24AM
The cop was serving.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:44AM
Wha?	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:50AM
Yes. NT	Batman	January 06, 2009 03:54PM
ARRRG!	Pro	January 06, 2009 03:55PM
He wasn't an innocent.	Pro	January 06, 2009 02:33PM
I'm glad you think the punishment is death for being a "thug".	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:19AM
I may well get shot.	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:03AM
Sorry, you're right. Manslaughter, probably 2nd? degree. Or even negligent homicide. Still anything less than 5 years is too little. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:17AM
In the U.S., people are presumed innocent until proven guilty through the due process of law. nt	PaulO	January 06, 2009 04:10PM
I gotcha, the cop is innocent.	Pro	January 06, 2009 04:43PM
However, NOTHING has come up regarding the dead guys involvement. You're assuming a lot	Lokain	January 06, 2009 05:11PM
There are other videos other than this one.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:00AM
I think we know more than that.	Java	January 06, 2009 07:17PM
He killed someone.	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:16AM
Incorrect. That's not a point anyone has made.	Pro	January 08, 2009 03:03PM
Incorrect, he didn't resign n/t	cyril	January 08, 2009 03:33PM
I'm glad you want to be so kind and gentle with a murderer.	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:16AM
Dude, do you know what murder fucking is?	Java	January 07, 2009 12:09PM
IRe: Dude, do you know what murder fucking is?	Pro	January 07, 2009 12:27PM
Nah, worst case..	Java	January 07, 2009 12:57PM
I didn't see a murder.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:56AM
You ever mention my father again and I'll personally skin your fucking redneck hide. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:15AM
Dude, now you're just making a mockery of yourself. nt	Java	January 07, 2009 12:13PM
Who's saying anything about not punishing him?	istirith	January 07, 2009 04:48AM
Pretty well said. n/t	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:58AM
They will have to make an example out of him.	istirith	January 07, 2009 01:29AM
I think he should play the race card.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:02AM
Maybe.	istirith	January 07, 2009 04:11AM
Why was the cop so scared? Did anyone have a knee in his back? Was anybody pointing a gun at him? I don't give cops using deadly force any leeway to fuck up and kill unarmed schmucks like myself. Crucify him. Maybe that'll send a fucking message.~	Blackbird	January 06, 2009 11:20PM
Well, I bet you're as glad as I did that H.R. 6367 didn't pass then.	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:43AM
Wow. I didn't know about that. Thanks, I am very, very glad it didn't go through.~	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 07:30AM
I'd be nervous.	istirith	January 07, 2009 01:54AM
There is a thing about training...	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:06AM
That's the thing, you keep saying "tazer tazer tazer", you misdirecting fuck. Who the fuck puts their gun and tazer on the same side of their belt?!~	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 07:31AM
Re: That's the thing, you keep saying "tazer tazer tazer", you misdirecting fuck. Who the fuck puts their gun and tazer on the same side of their belt?!~	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:46AM
An idiotic cop who's negligent and has forgotten/ignored their training? nt	istirith	January 07, 2009 07:52AM
GEE, sounds like a guy I don't want carrying a gun or a badge!~	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 07:54AM
And i'm not disagreeing. nt	istirith	January 07, 2009 08:31AM
And you don't think that's a problem? NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:27AM
I think you are a problem.	Pro	January 07, 2009 04:48AM
What? He's a gangbanger now? I didn't know you hung with him on the corner.	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:54AM
The gangbanger comment aside.	istirith	January 07, 2009 05:09AM
Any one of us could have been drunk with a pack of friends and gotten into a fight on the subway.	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 07:48AM
Re: Any one of us could have been drunk with a pack of friends and gotten into a fight on the subway.	Pro	January 07, 2009 10:47AM
black /= ganger. Are you fucking retarded? Have you never gone out to drink in a city with friends?	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 04:00PM
My only response to you is to say...	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:22PM
I win.~	Blackbird	January 07, 2009 10:09PM
I never said we couldn't.	istirith	January 07, 2009 08:30AM
Not looking at it rationally?	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:14AM
tRe: Not looking at it rationally?	Pro	January 07, 2009 06:27AM
I thought he was "officially banned from Pro-land"?	nebel	January 07, 2009 07:02AM
Do the research.	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:00AM
Thank you. You may have saved me from your stupidity. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:09AM
Yeah we see the point you are trying to make but....	tyin	January 06, 2009 05:02PM
Re: Yeah we see the point you are trying to make but....	Pro	January 07, 2009 03:56PM
I agree. Obamanations ARE annoying.	Pro	January 06, 2009 02:14PM
I like how you connect with the Cops level of intellect here. nt	Yhorian(VIP)	January 07, 2009 05:56AM
Re: I like how you connect with the Cops level of intellect here. nt	Pro	January 07, 2009 03:59PM
I'd consider service men more altruistic if they weren't so self-righteous.	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:53AM
I disagree.	Pro	January 08, 2009 05:25PM
lawl, pro probably volunteers at food shelters and Habitat for Humanity. What a peach.~	Blackbird	January 09, 2009 08:11AM
Self-righteousness is the most irritating quality about servicemen, yes. I greatly admire and respect those that aren't because they are the ones that deserve it. nt	Scrimbul	January 08, 2009 11:55AM
He died several hours later in hospital. Like Paul OTT stated, the bullet passed through and ricocheted, wounding him twice. nt	istirith	January 07, 2009 02:04AM
Not to justify anything but	hopelessdwarf	January 06, 2009 07:38PM
Yes. Bullet goes in lower back, bounces off ground back through upper torso. nt	PaulO	January 06, 2009 02:30PM
Re: I agree. Obamanations ARE annoying.	qurdind	January 06, 2009 02:16PM
I'm sure he was a great father.	Pro	January 06, 2009 02:28PM
Do tasers and pistols feel so similar in your hand that this could be an easy mistake to make? nt	Splntrd	January 06, 2009 07:22PM
Re: Do tasers and pistols feel so similar in your hand that this could be an easy mistake to make? nt	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:23AM
I could see it happening.	Java	January 06, 2009 07:25PM
You're right officer, I was scared death about going to jail since I had a gram of weed in the car, so I ran down ten little school girls trying to escape you. I swear I was just scared! NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:26AM
Nah, that was just genuine curiosity. I've never held a taser. nt	Splntrd	January 06, 2009 08:17PM
I can see your point.	cointreau	January 06, 2009 02:37PM
Regardless	Lokain	January 06, 2009 02:44PM
Re: Regardless	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 10:21AM
They stop fights.	Pro	January 08, 2009 05:20PM
I can see a lot of things in that situation that lead up to that.	Pro	January 06, 2009 03:09PM
Questions for you Pro	PaulO	January 07, 2009 06:02AM
nRe: Questions for you Pro	Pro	January 07, 2009 11:13AM
That's the thing that gets me though.	cointreau	January 06, 2009 02:50PM
As well it should be	cyril	January 06, 2009 05:10PM
Re: As well it should be	Pro	January 07, 2009 12:19PM
So the dead person is not the victim? You've lost any touch with reality your puny, backwoods ATF-addled brain ever had. God have mercy on your retarded soul. PS Please please don't procreate. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 12:21PM
So you think it's okay this guy's life is over?	cointreau	January 06, 2009 06:50PM
Re: So you think it's okay this guy's life is over?	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:27AM
Eye for an Eye.	Pro	January 08, 2009 05:35PM
I wouldn't have shot someone. NT	Sam	January 06, 2009 07:11PM
After watching the video, I would have.	Scrimbul	January 06, 2009 08:11PM
You been in that situation much?	Java	January 06, 2009 07:25PM
I've had a gun pulled on me during a large gathering you fuckass, so yes, I have been in that situation.	Sam	January 06, 2009 09:01PM
Re: So you think it's okay this guy's life is over?	Graham	January 06, 2009 06:54PM
Re: So you think it's okay this guy's life is over?	Pro	January 07, 2009 12:50PM
Wait, don't you live in the country with CCTV on every corner? :) nt	Isildur(VIP)	January 06, 2009 07:23PM
Yes, yes I do and Jacquie Smith wants to do worse, so i'm WELL aware of the reality. n/t	Graham	January 07, 2009 03:16AM
How long til the streaming Graham shower cam? n/t	Lokain	January 07, 2009 01:37PM
Yes. I counted 11 on the ceiling of a local chain corner shop the other day.	istirith	January 07, 2009 02:15AM
Seriously.	cointreau	January 06, 2009 07:05PM
Most naive statement ever made.	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:34AM
Have you cooberated that? People don't go to prison before	Pro	January 08, 2009 05:28PM
Jail is what I meant. I don't draw a distinction. n/t	Death_Claw	January 14, 2009 09:42AM
Re: Seriously.	Graham	January 07, 2009 03:17AM
Clearly	vortex_magus	January 06, 2009 10:18PM
You know what I meant.	cointreau	January 07, 2009 12:35AM
I know several people actually. Aren't you from Australia? NT	Sam	January 06, 2009 07:12PM
Yeah, so?	cointreau	January 06, 2009 07:26PM
Man, please don't comment about America as if you live here if you don't live here.	Sam	January 06, 2009 09:02PM
Have you ever been to Australia?	cointreau	January 07, 2009 04:39AM
Please tell me where I said anything about the Australian police force. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:40AM
Are you really this dim, or are you trying to annoy me?	cointreau	January 07, 2009 05:05AM
No, I'm trying to discredit you talking about American issues. Since, you know, you don't live here.	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:23AM
It's NOT an American issue.	cointreau	January 07, 2009 05:36AM
Sure it is.	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:39AM
Key part within.	Sam	January 07, 2009 05:43AM
You know what I love most?	cointreau	January 07, 2009 05:57AM
Re: Man, please don't comment about America as if you live here if you don't live here.	qurdind	January 07, 2009 12:19AM
Re: Man, please don't comment about America as if you live here if you don't live here.	Death_Claw	January 08, 2009 11:45AM
I think you'd be disgustingly surprised as to how much a cop in the Bay Area makes. n/t	Lokain	January 07, 2009 01:28PM
Most people who become cops were unatheletic enough for the military, not smart enough for private security. NT	Sam	January 07, 2009 04:11AM
I don't know about all of that	cyril	January 07, 2009 01:57AM
Yep.	Pro	January 06, 2009 03:11PM
I saw that one too and I partly agree.	istirith	January 07, 2009 02:29AM
What kind of macho bullshit are you talking?	Graham	January 06, 2009 07:03PM
I have absolutly no sympathy for Oscar.	Pro	January 07, 2009 05:25PM

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