Re: I don't see that as particularly special

March 20, 2009 12:36PM
"This behavior is rewarding but that behavior is not."

Basic instinct.

"That's how we do things like train dogs, we rely on their ability to reason."

We rely on their abilities to do what we trained them to do. That's not reason or morality.

"When a field mouse eats its young it does not just randomly eat some just because it is hungry. It consumes the weakest members of the litter."

Agreed. If we did that, there would be no cure for diseases because we'd just let the weak die.

"If field mice were able to intellectualize this behavior on the level of humans, I would suggest that one of their 'moral codes' would be something to the affect of "It is better for all of us if we sacrifice our weak children in favor of our strong children.""

That is not morality. That is once again instinct.

Here is a definition of morality from dictionary.com: " founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations. "

"We intellectualize ideas like "We should put segregate out our smart children into accelerated learning courses because it will allow them to blossom and benefit our economy as a whole because we'll have stronger students/employees.""

This is not morality. This is reasoning. Key word: intellectualize. You compare this practice to sacrificing a field mouse's young. That would be fine except we don't push our (according to your definition of) weak down. We may focus on "strong", but it does not mean we "kill off" our weak.
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Vegetarianism/Veganism

cyril March 18, 2009 09:30AM

Meat is delicious, vegetarians are only screwing themselves. nt

Someone Not Special, Esquire March 23, 2009 01:10AM

This is like the most boring discussion on human morality I've ever read, and I usually enjoy these things. nt

Scrimbul March 20, 2009 03:52AM

I didn't even bother reading it. Meat is good. Veg is good. So long as I don't starve, I'm happy.

istirith March 23, 2009 01:53AM

Is Pro gone?

Rade March 23, 2009 04:06PM

Don't know but he hasn't posted in a while. nt

istirith March 23, 2009 06:23PM

He died. NT

Batman March 23, 2009 04:10PM

Each to his own. But I'd rather eat vegans than salad every day. nt

Flipside Oreo March 20, 2009 03:28AM

Fucking fat troll n/t

kostyan March 20, 2009 03:12AM

I don't view food choices as moral ones

Rade March 18, 2009 03:59PM

Animals cannot be moral or immoral, n/t

katistrofik March 19, 2009 02:16PM

Humans are technically animals.

Java March 19, 2009 02:25PM

Yes.

katistrofik March 19, 2009 03:34PM

I don't see that as particularly special

Rade March 19, 2009 05:10PM

Re: I don't see that as particularly special

katistrofik March 20, 2009 12:36PM

The words you type are stupid.

Java March 20, 2009 01:12PM

Meh, retraction.

katistrofik March 20, 2009 01:42PM

It's good you took it back. I'm a 9.1 on hotornot.com. Yup. I'm a purty man. nt

Java March 20, 2009 02:30PM

How many times you give yourself a 10?? Haha, j/k...but seriously. n/t

WarEagle March 20, 2009 02:52PM

None. It's legit. I'm sexy, what else can I say? nt

Java March 20, 2009 03:10PM

Only cuz the gays like twinks. n/t

Lokain March 20, 2009 03:15PM

Re: The words you type are stupid.

Darbhi March 20, 2009 01:36PM

I'm going to take the short route and just say I disagree.

Death_Claw March 24, 2009 06:26PM

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't have any children (+ cool sociological study reference)

Rade March 20, 2009 05:51PM

Re: I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't have any children (+ cool sociological study reference)

Darbhi March 21, 2009 06:05AM

Why does a mommy bird vomit in her baby's mouths?

Java March 21, 2009 08:13PM

Sorry, I should've been more clear

Rade March 21, 2009 07:32AM

Neato, I found the article/study

Rade March 20, 2009 06:13PM

So... where does morality come from?

Java March 20, 2009 02:30PM

Re: So... where does morality come from?

Darbhi March 21, 2009 08:36AM

It's simple. Where does "morality" come from?

Java March 21, 2009 08:10PM

I hate it when you say shit that makes sense. nt

Java March 19, 2009 08:27PM

Sometimes I do it just to make your skin crawl :-P nt

Rade March 20, 2009 05:31PM

I have to respectfully disagree with that. n/t

katistrofik March 20, 2009 12:37PM

The capacity for abstract thought.

Jib March 19, 2009 03:23PM

An interesting article

Rade March 19, 2009 03:43PM

How about the anti-agribusiness/factory farming crowd?

Blackbird March 18, 2009 09:04PM

Re: How about the anti-agribusiness/factory farming crowd?

Rade March 19, 2009 09:11AM

hmm. txt

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2009 07:42PM

Re: hmm. txt

Death_Claw March 24, 2009 06:28PM

Some animals get much more offspring than you and your wife.

DurNominator(VIP) March 19, 2009 09:23AM

So if I had 15 kids, killing one would be okay? nt

Isildur(VIP) March 19, 2009 10:45AM

Providing that your wife gives birth to another fifteen next year, losing one wouldn't be so big deal as it is now.

DurNominator(VIP) March 19, 2009 11:08AM

Like spilling paint in the garage n/t

Lokain March 19, 2009 11:21AM

With respect to continuation of the species, it's about the same affect

Rade March 19, 2009 12:25PM

Also, neolithic revolution multiplied the amount of available food.

DurNominator(VIP) March 20, 2009 12:55PM

Re: With respect to continuation of the species, it's about the same affect

Isildur(VIP) March 19, 2009 01:38PM

Re: With respect to continuation of the species, it's about the same affect

Rade March 19, 2009 02:34PM

My overly vague "Breakfast Club" reference was perhaps a little too vague n/t

Lokain March 19, 2009 01:01PM

Killing him is probably immoral, eating him is just distasteful nt

Rade March 19, 2009 03:19AM

Isildur's point remains true, though.

vortex_magus March 18, 2009 11:48PM

Truly a modest proposal n/t

Lokain March 19, 2009 08:29AM

I was thinking it, but you called it. Goddamned Swift. NT

Batman March 19, 2009 08:33AM

Then to play it safe you should probably stop dressing up your son as a cow n/t

Lokain March 18, 2009 08:12PM

Re: Vegetarianism/Veganism

WarEagle March 18, 2009 01:10PM

You know broccoli was alive too, right? nt

Java March 19, 2009 03:44AM



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