People in favor of this are the typical idiots.

January 15, 2010 03:13AM
...Who don't understand what things cost, how taxes work or reality scenarios. $1,000,000 is way too low. Let's collectively pretend our heads aren't firmly stuck in our assholes for a second and take a look at it in terms of small businesses.

A guy owns a business. That business's value can be $1 at the time that the company is formed but as soon as its been valuated, that value is now accounted for. This will often happen in the case of venture capital or other transactions that require some form of valuation. So now this guy owns a company that does $5 mil rev/year. During a capital injection he sells 50% of that equity establishing a value for the enterprise at $5 mil. He now owns 50% of that equity, valued at $2.5 mil. He dies. His children inherit that equity.

I have to look at the wording of the bill but there's tons and tons and tons of situations where on paper you're receiving "sums of money" in excess of $1 million but the liquid capital is far, far less. Any business that has machinery is a good example. If I inherit a tractor and have to pay 55% taxes on the value of that tractor, where the fuck am I supposed to get the money from? Selling the tractor? Well that's fine when I'm the only person involved but when its a small company that company now goes out of business. It's also fine when there's a strong market for tractors but what about when we're talking about things like intangibles where the market might be entirely non-existent.

This isn't even about wealth distribution, this is about out and out fucking the middle class. And by middle class I don't mean working class people who have white collar jobs, I mean the literal middle class. Meaning people who own small businesses and entrepreneurs who aren't rich by any stretch of the imagination but still have a book value over your typical Joe. Only, in order to access that money they have to sell it off which isn't as easy as hopping on Ebay and dropping an ad.

This is why I can't stand people in general. They're stupid. They don't realize that so many of the people in this country work for people who own LLC's and operate in an income range or legal situation that treats the company for all intents and purposes as the person. As a result tax measures and changes don't help "the little guy", it just gets "the little guy" fired. So a bunch of idiots are happy that they're "fucking over white anglo saxons leaving inheritances" when in reality they're the ones who are going to lose their jobs and be preordained to a working class, paycheck to paycheck fate. This is why I say we shouldn't value the opinions of people who don't have at least some cursory understanding of the impact of law and the vast, vast majority of people don't. I'm not an expert either but at least I have some practical experience that opens my eyes to a bit of perspective.

And the funny part is when I mention that we should teach taxation in school people give me shit about how its not relevant to education. It absolutely is. The law, taxes, legal system, etc are what you need to understand to not sound like an asshole when you talk politics. That's also why they'll never teach people it, they're much happier with a bunch of drooling idiots that base their opinions on fucking Disney cartoons rather than morality, ethics and understanding of the term consequence.

That's the end of my rant. Fin.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2010 03:25AM by Death_Claw.
Subject Author Posted

The death tax is evil

Mek January 13, 2010 11:21AM

I've got nothing against it nt

daurwyn(VIP) January 15, 2010 11:39AM

How else are we going to pay for roads!!?!!?!

PaulO January 15, 2010 08:52AM

People in favor of this are the typical idiots.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 03:13AM

Fun fact about the tractor myth

Rade January 17, 2010 03:29PM

In the UK

daurwyn(VIP) January 15, 2010 11:41AM

Sorry, the idiot is you.

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 15, 2010 04:31AM

Re: Sorry, the idiot is you.

Isildur(VIP) January 15, 2010 04:52AM

Re: Sorry, the idiot is you.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 04:38AM

A somewhat better point

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 15, 2010 08:01AM

Re: A somewhat better point

Death_Claw January 19, 2010 05:04PM

Re: A somewhat better point

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 19, 2010 05:40PM

I don't care how you look at it, 55 cents on the dollar is absolutely criminal. n/t

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 02:52AM

I don't give a shit. It's never going to affect my life.

Blackbird January 14, 2010 10:00AM

Mek's underpants are evil (n/t)

NeverMindTheWarlocks January 14, 2010 06:08AM

Without a doubt -nt-

Mek January 14, 2010 08:00AM

Estate tax is essential for discouraging monetary monarchies

Rade January 13, 2010 03:41PM

Communist. n/t

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 02:53AM

Yep, Communist like Thomas Paine nt

Rade January 16, 2010 03:58PM

Re: Estate tax is essential for discouraging monetary monarchies

Isildur(VIP) January 14, 2010 04:42AM

Re: Estate tax is essential for discouraging monetary monarchies

Rade January 14, 2010 03:19PM

55% starting next year. -nt-

Mek January 14, 2010 08:00AM

Explain why it's good to...

Mek January 13, 2010 05:32PM

Re: Explain why it's good to...

Rade January 14, 2010 04:00PM

You get money, you get taxed.

DurNominator(VIP) January 14, 2010 10:14AM

No, it isn't.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 02:58AM

Where do you draw the line?

DurNominator(VIP) January 17, 2010 12:21PM

Re: Where do you draw the line?

Death_Claw January 19, 2010 05:23PM

It doesn't work that way

Rade January 15, 2010 04:14PM

Obviously I'm referring to the children of the people who *OWN* the house. Not me. n/t

Death_Claw January 19, 2010 05:05PM

Yes. It is.

vortexmagus January 13, 2010 08:54PM

Hello slippery slope

Mek January 13, 2010 10:37PM

LOL! OKAY!

vortexmagus January 14, 2010 12:00AM

Nah

Mek January 14, 2010 07:56AM

Gotta Love Marx's Usefull idiots.

odrirg January 14, 2010 07:20AM

Your uncle chose his business form. If he doesn't want that business taxed with his personal assets he should incorporate. Also...

bell January 14, 2010 10:11AM

Hey bro you haven't been through what I've been through you'll never know what it's like (like i do)

Stevers January 15, 2010 03:36AM

Re: Hey bro you haven't been through what I've been through you'll never know what it's like (like i do)

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 03:41AM

I think stevers has got your argument style down perfectly. (n/t)

vortexmagus January 16, 2010 07:36AM

Re: I think stevers has got your argument style down perfectly.

Death_Claw January 19, 2010 04:53PM

You can watch football and you can study football but you can't think like football until you've played in an NFL superbowl n/t

Stevers January 19, 2010 05:39PM

U DONT KNOW IF IM A DICK UR NOT UR NOT IN MY POSITION

Batman January 15, 2010 06:38AM

There's a reason he owns an LLC instead of an S-Corp.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 03:28AM

Fuck you, buddy, but I'm glad you said that...

bell January 15, 2010 09:49AM

Re: Fuck you, buddy, but I'm glad you said that...

Death_Claw January 19, 2010 04:49PM

When?

odrirg January 14, 2010 05:08PM

Rofl bringing Terry Schaivo up is hilarious

lurker January 15, 2010 07:53AM

She's my favorite vegetable....Aside from tomatos. NT

Batman January 15, 2010 08:00AM

Yeah! Broccoli!

Starscream January 15, 2010 08:04AM

FWIW

Mek January 14, 2010 03:04PM

Well, I dig your style too, man. Got the whole cowboy thing goin.

bell January 15, 2010 10:01AM

Hey speaking of guitars

Mek January 15, 2010 10:50AM

We won, you lose

lurker January 14, 2010 07:49AM

Vitriole, much? Come back with a structured, rational argument, rather than rabid raving. nt

Splntrd January 14, 2010 07:40AM

It was pretty easy to get the gist of it -nt-

Mek January 14, 2010 07:59AM

I get what he was saying, but he's supporting his views with passion, not logic or fact. nt

Splntrd January 14, 2010 11:14AM

Yeah, ignorance does that. (n/t)

Scrimbul January 14, 2010 01:56PM

No, for once Odrirg is justifiably outraged.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 03:30AM

So what you're saying is, the estate tax is communist. nt

Splntrd January 13, 2010 04:18PM

If you put it like that, all tax is communist.

DurNominator(VIP) January 14, 2010 10:00AM

I wasn't being serious. I was poking fun at the extremist viewpoints (from both ends of the spectrum) in this thread. nt

Splntrd January 14, 2010 11:13AM

Communism and socialism are just words used to scare idiots in this country, always have been. Like when we were kids and we used to try to freak each other out by saying "Your epidermis is showing." It's only scary if you don't understand what the word r (n/t)

bell January 14, 2010 10:16AM

No, they aren't.

Death_Claw January 15, 2010 02:55AM

For anyone who noticed the choice of "death tax" in the language, make sure you look up what the tax actually is and does prior to making judgment. NT

Batman January 13, 2010 11:44AM

Yeah, a death tax. I got it ;-) -nt-

Mek January 14, 2010 08:57AM

Anti-life, anti-choice. NT

Batman January 14, 2010 10:18AM

If you want to be proactive (link inside)

Mek January 13, 2010 11:35AM

Re: If you want to be proactive (link inside)

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2010 12:55PM

Even better than that

lurker January 14, 2010 07:42AM

Yeah, fuckface. n/t

Stevers January 14, 2010 08:40AM

Hey fuckface, don't post that crap. -nt-

Mek January 14, 2010 08:01AM

You should be thanking me

lurker January 14, 2010 11:25AM

Yep. What claim should gov't have to the money? Craziness. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) January 13, 2010 11:31AM

Are you disagreeing with it because the money isn't government related or owned, or purely on a moral basis about what is 'right' and 'wrong'? NT

Batman January 13, 2010 11:22AM

Pretty much all the reasons listed on the petition link that I just posted -nt-

Mek January 13, 2010 11:36AM

Purely from a logistics basis; all the money in an inheritance has already been taxed.

Splntrd January 13, 2010 11:33AM

I understand that much, I was just curious about his word choice such as: evil, sick, humanity. NT

Batman January 13, 2010 11:35AM

I'm not morally grey, and I think that yes, the death tax is an evil practice -nt-

Mek January 13, 2010 11:41AM



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