Re: Ethics of pirating any media?

August 30, 2011 03:08AM
My take on piracy of tv-series (I dont download films), is that it is our only real way of showing the big companies that we arent happy with the service they provide. This is especially evident if you live outside the US, where we may or may not get the series like 3-12 months after they air in the US. The current generation, the internet generation, dont accept the old terrible service that TV currently is with fixed timeslots. I want to watch my favourite tv-series at most 1 day after they air in the US, independant of my current location in the world. Anything less is not acceptable. If they offer this service to me, I am willing to pay good money.

Ethicly I guess it is wrong to download and watch series without paying for it, but if I watch a series I find to be of really good quality, I go out and buy the DVD when it is released.

Make a service like Hulu worldwide and offer every TV-series there. You can either pay a monthly fee that increases depening on how much you want to have access to. This next part is important. You must be able to pay for 1 season of a show or 1 episode of a show.. or you may chose to subscribe to 1 channel or go for a cable like package with alot of channels. It is important to be able to pay for 1 show, not the whole tv-channel. Because im not interested in paying for the shitty uninteresting TV to get to the good stuff. This would also push the channels towards producing quality stuff instead of just spewing out shit to fill the timeslots, because it would sell better. I think part of the reason alot of resist this transition is that they will devalue their shows when it comes to selling it to channels abroad, but they would supplement this loss of income with the (considerable) income from worldwide internet sales. Especially series that got a relativly small audience like sci-fi would benefit GREATLY from this. Sci-Fi is hard to sell to individual channels, since the audience and fan base is smaller than say.. a show like Rome or Sopranos. But if you look at it worldwide there is a HUGE fanbase that never get these shows on their local channels.

Oh and!

Open it up for foreign tv-channels so they can put their series on there aswell.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/30/2011 03:13AM by Cerunnir.
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Ethics of pirating any media?

morocco August 28, 2011 09:30PM

My thoughts

DurNominator(VIP) September 01, 2011 09:49AM

Are you really this dumb?

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 04:32PM

I'll take a step back...

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 04:44PM

Let's think of a scenario

DurNominator(VIP) September 02, 2011 11:15AM

Couldn't you do like so many millions..

Java September 06, 2011 08:23AM

I'm not saying stealing isn't advantageous - just that it is not ethical.

Death_Claw September 06, 2011 08:14AM

Dur's scenario is essentially, if it's not readily available in your home market, yes pirate it. Enter China/Russia and the rest of the world's media. (n/t)

Scrimbul September 02, 2011 05:22PM

The price is a factor.

DurNominator(VIP) September 03, 2011 03:58AM

and if anyone actually read all the bullshit below

morocco August 31, 2011 09:57AM

If everyone pirates everything..

Java August 31, 2011 05:26AM

Your right, there was no art before the copyright laws.

bell August 31, 2011 08:21AM

There was "art". But there was no TV and no video games.

Java August 31, 2011 08:29AM

fuck the entertainment industry

morocco August 31, 2011 09:39AM

good thing matthew mark luke and john didnt write their gospels. I believe I discussed this at length once. (n/t)

Artificial August 31, 2011 10:45AM

thank you (n/t)

morocco August 31, 2011 02:58PM

Are you just trolling at this point? You're a fucking idiot, dude. nt

Java August 31, 2011 09:41AM

also, when you call me names, instead of indulging my ridiculous edge cases

morocco August 31, 2011 09:53AM

How much? If IP is real physical stuff, they needs to gets paid. (n/t)

morocco August 31, 2011 09:48AM

Re: If everyone pirates everything..

morocco August 31, 2011 06:38AM

Let's stop being vague.

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 11:30AM

Re: Let's stop being vague.

morocco August 31, 2011 02:58PM

According to whom?

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 08:29AM

online distribution. Amazon now sells more ebooks than real books (n/t)

morocco September 01, 2011 09:15AM

Which means nothing about what it costs to publish/advertise a book.

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 04:19PM

Re: Which means nothing about what it costs to publish/advertise a book.

morocco September 01, 2011 07:29PM

"If you remove the money part of the equation, there cannot be a sustainable career around authorship unless the author is independently wealthy or unless they're "moonlighting". "

Matrik August 31, 2011 11:49AM

And almost all the artwork was commissioned and given it's nature - couldn't be copied easily anyway.

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 12:12PM

Hey fucktard, your question was broader than that.

Java August 31, 2011 06:41AM

Re: Hey fucktard, your question was broader than that.

morocco August 31, 2011 07:00AM

Re: Hey fucktard, your question was broader than that.

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 11:35AM

Re: Hey fucktard, your question was broader than that.

morocco August 31, 2011 03:10PM

Where are you getting these "most" statements from?

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 08:28AM

Tolstoy, Plath, Keats, Van Gogh, Hemmingway, Dickens

morocco September 01, 2011 09:21AM

Even if I agreed with you, how is like 8 people "most" of the artists from the last 600 years? n/t

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 04:30PM

how is like 8 equal 22? riddle me that, then i'll answer your question

morocco September 01, 2011 04:50PM

You're saying that "most" artists are irrational...

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 08:59PM

Nope

morocco September 02, 2011 06:28AM

I can disprove it by the fact that copyright laws have existed since the printing press was created in the 1400's. n/t

Death_Claw September 02, 2011 08:14AM

not really

morocco September 02, 2011 08:51AM

How was Dickens irrational?

jegec September 01, 2011 09:41AM

he wasn't "Crazy" crazy, just definite signs of clinical depression (n/t)

morocco September 01, 2011 09:45AM

If you're going to claim you didn't say something, at least check your fucking post first.

Java August 31, 2011 07:16AM

Re: If you're going to claim you didn't say something, at least check your fucking post first.

morocco August 31, 2011 08:04AM

We're arguing the ethics of piracy.

Java August 31, 2011 08:34AM

Re: We're arguing the ethics of piracy.

morocco August 31, 2011 09:21AM

So stealing bread is ethical?

Java August 31, 2011 09:22AM

Re: So stealing bread is ethical?

morocco August 31, 2011 09:32AM

Considering the original question was piracy of "media"

Java August 31, 2011 09:37AM

Re: Considering the original question was piracy of "media"

morocco August 31, 2011 09:48AM

None of those things are ethical.

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 12:20PM

Re: None of those things are ethical.

morocco August 31, 2011 03:30PM

Straw man arguments for the most part.

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 08:37AM

Re: Straw man arguments for the most part.

morocco September 01, 2011 09:29AM

You're either trolling or not a very smart person.

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 04:29PM

Re: You're either trolling or not a very smart person.

morocco September 01, 2011 05:21PM

Re: You're either trolling or not a very smart person.

Death_Claw September 01, 2011 08:55PM

Re: You're either trolling or not a very smart person.

morocco September 02, 2011 06:12AM

This post was shaping up well, then I read the word "niggardly"

Matrik August 31, 2011 03:37PM

i know my audience (n/t)

morocco August 31, 2011 09:14PM

What's wrong with niggardly? (n/t)

wrathpuppet August 31, 2011 03:44PM

Absolutely nothing.

Matrik August 31, 2011 03:45PM

Genetics (n/t)

Matrik August 31, 2011 12:27PM

? n/t

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 12:30PM

I'm with Java here.

Matrik August 31, 2011 09:05AM

"Invade China. Get all those copies of Windows XP Pro back."

Matrik August 31, 2011 08:11AM

Why should you be entitled to other people's work for free? Or am I missing your point? n/t

Death_Claw August 31, 2011 04:07AM

I guess my main point is you can't steal from a dead man

morocco August 31, 2011 06:48AM

Do you believe physical property should be inherited?

Java August 31, 2011 07:19AM

Intellectual prop =/ physical prop, hence the differing sets of rules.

bell August 31, 2011 08:20AM

Re: Do you believe physical property should be inherited?

morocco August 31, 2011 08:12AM

So?

Java August 31, 2011 08:36AM

Re: So?

morocco August 31, 2011 09:07AM

Wait.. are you serious? Obviously I meant value to the originator.

Java August 31, 2011 09:14AM

Re: Wait.. are you serious? Obviously I meant value to the originator.

morocco August 31, 2011 09:26AM

Wait. Let's take a step back. What exactly are you arguing?

Java August 31, 2011 09:29AM

Just answer the first question

morocco August 31, 2011 09:35AM

Except..

Java August 31, 2011 09:39AM

If they don't want to share it they do not release it to the public. Problem solved.

morocco August 31, 2011 09:49AM

Re: Ethics of pirating any media?

Cerunnir(VIP) August 30, 2011 03:08AM

Disney owns the copyright law.

bell August 29, 2011 09:47AM

Re: Disney owns the copyright law.

Isildur(VIP) August 29, 2011 03:32PM

Doesn't explain any of it, assuming the industry has been using the same currency I am, right? (n/t)

bell August 30, 2011 03:16AM

Re: Doesn't explain any of it, assuming the industry has been using the same currency I am, right?

Isildur(VIP) August 30, 2011 04:05AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation nt

Flipside Oreo August 30, 2011 03:29AM

mmm...piiiiii... *drool* nt

The Forsaken(VIP) August 29, 2011 11:58AM

some personal thoughts

Splntrd August 29, 2011 04:57AM

I posted the quote because the copyright laws themselves are arguably unconstitutional

morocco August 29, 2011 05:17AM

It's arguable, but only with an extremely liberal reading of the amendment.

Splntrd August 29, 2011 05:30AM

this is the more important part

morocco August 29, 2011 05:36AM

Hmmm. I'm wholly unfamiliar with the limited times debate.

Splntrd August 29, 2011 06:40AM



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