For what it's worth, I don't "favor extermination"

March 18, 2012 07:08PM
I'm even against all forms of capital punishment. But I can definitely see why people lose hope for humanity.

I argue for and hope toward a utopian future, given the amazing things technology could eventually provide. But realistically, with the world the way it is, I have almost no hope for anything resembling that happening in my lifetime. It's certainly more likely that humans face a dystopian future, one that the rest of the life on our little planet will have to share in.
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The evils of abortion

Artificial March 15, 2012 05:39PM

Roe v Wade has actually lowered the crime rate. Just sayin....NT

Sam March 18, 2012 09:46AM

Some argue aging demographics destroy economies. (n/t)

PaulO March 18, 2012 09:59AM

Africa is a good example of out of control birthrates. There's a happy medium, but abortion didn't cause Japan's lost decade. (n/t)

Scrimbul March 18, 2012 02:25PM

Some argue that blacks should stay in Africa. NT

Batman March 18, 2012 10:00AM

Heres another fun read, its short

Artificial March 18, 2012 07:17AM

Carl Sagan on abortion

Batman March 18, 2012 02:58AM

Re: The evils of abortion

Isildur(VIP) March 17, 2012 01:18PM

playing devil's advocate

PaulO March 18, 2012 09:46AM

This is Christianity in a nutshell

vortexmagus March 18, 2012 07:25PM

Re: This is Christianity in a nutshell

Isildur(VIP) March 19, 2012 07:05AM

Oh, just as an FYI

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 18, 2012 11:20PM

The only correct statement in your post is the first one, in my viewpoint.

Wanderlust- March 18, 2012 10:24PM

I'm gonna argue a bit on this one...

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 18, 2012 10:11PM

Marriage before sex is immoral.

Coumidin March 18, 2012 10:37PM

This implies that morality is entirely about the rules set forth.

vortexmagus March 18, 2012 10:27PM

Not necessarily: I was attempting to imply more that the actions themselves are inherently devoid of moral weight.

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 18, 2012 11:05PM

Good summary. (n/t)

Coumidin March 18, 2012 07:29PM

Re: playing devil's advocate

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 10:08AM

Same applies to murder and what not. Nothing new, bro. NT

Batman March 18, 2012 09:55AM

If you think abortion should be illegal you need to stop living in fantasy land

Artificial March 18, 2012 03:06AM

Secular arguments against abortion

mmmmk March 18, 2012 08:37AM

Not to belabor the point, but

Coumidin March 18, 2012 07:28PM

Your biblical arguments are terrible.

PaulO March 18, 2012 08:28AM

only if you think that scripture isn't all silly to start with. (n/t)

satchmo March 18, 2012 08:35AM

Then why bring it up? (n/t)

PaulO March 18, 2012 08:42AM

Because I wanted to make it abundantly clear that the bible has zero prohibitions against abortion, and the average never-read-the-bible bible believer thinks it does. (n/t)

Artificial March 18, 2012 09:04AM

Most Christians understand that God can be involved during pregnancy.

PaulO March 18, 2012 09:15AM

I don't know if I'd call it understanding.

Blackbird March 18, 2012 03:10PM

Stalk moar

PaulO March 18, 2012 03:23PM

Stem cell research

DurNominator(VIP) March 18, 2012 07:12AM

They still don't have the omnipotence of actual stem cells unfortunately

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 18, 2012 09:19AM

got some links? I'd like to read up. (n/t)

satchmo March 18, 2012 08:25AM

+10 shekels (n/t)

satchmo March 18, 2012 07:03AM

Re: If you think abortion should be illegal you need to stop living in fantasy land

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 06:26AM

I like how you changed my "there is no need" statement into a "studies prove souls dont exist" statement, which is not the same thing at all. You also predicated numerous statements on fetuses are babies without answering my questions regarding states of (n/t)

Artificial March 18, 2012 07:12AM

What question would you like me to answer?

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 10:04AM

If you believe that a human zygote = life that must be preserved

vortexmagus March 18, 2012 02:08AM

Re: If you believe that a human zygote = life that must be preserved

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 05:33AM

So in this case, women who miscarry should be charged with unintentional manslaughter instead?

vortexmagus March 18, 2012 07:55PM

And this inherent danger isn't applicable to abortion?

Batman March 18, 2012 07:44AM

"Murder requires intent." (n/t)

PaulO March 18, 2012 08:32AM

Someone is prone with a car rolling towards them. I can pull them out of the way, but I don't. Murder or not, is it acceptable?

Batman March 18, 2012 09:00AM

Re: Someone is prone with a car rolling towards them. I can pull them out of the way, but I don't. Murder or not, is it acceptable?

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 10:14AM

Extend that analogy a bit. What if you knew you had weak arms, or had no arms, or knew the weather would be worse across the bridge on a certain day.

Batman March 18, 2012 10:20AM

Re: Extend that analogy a bit. What if you knew you had weak arms, or had no arms, or knew the weather would be worse across the bridge on a certain day.

Isildur(VIP) March 19, 2012 06:34AM

This is exactly what I was looking for. I just felt like, when you tossed that line out, it was really empty/unexplained compared to the rest. Thanks! NT

Batman March 19, 2012 06:39AM

Accidental manslaughter is still a serious offense. (n/t)

Artificial March 18, 2012 06:19AM

You could have two healthy kids instead of one disabled one.

DurNominator(VIP) March 17, 2012 06:36PM

Re: You could have two healthy kids instead of one disabled one.

Isildur(VIP) March 17, 2012 07:38PM

That's a far more difficult topic than abortion

Coumidin March 17, 2012 09:14PM

Re: That's a far more difficult topic than abortion

DurNominator(VIP) March 17, 2012 10:19PM

Re: That's a far more difficult topic than abortion

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 05:31AM

"Forced sterilization of stupid people"

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 07:49PM

Barring certain genetic complications, I don't think stupidity is a heritable trait.

RobDarken March 17, 2012 11:03PM

Re: Barring certain genetic complications, I don't think stupidity is a heritable trait.

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 05:23AM

Intelligence != fitness (n/t)

Coumidin March 17, 2012 08:26PM

But there's no reason nerds have to be physically unfit

Splntrd March 17, 2012 08:45PM

Heh, that's not what I meant... at all.

Coumidin March 17, 2012 09:21PM

I disagree.

wrathpuppet March 18, 2012 05:46AM

It's happenstance more than anything

Coumidin March 18, 2012 06:58PM

I can't remember the book I read, but the gist of it was that:

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 18, 2012 11:50PM

I'm surprised to find us so in sync about something. I almost am worried now.

satchmo March 17, 2012 06:42PM

More info needed

valkenar March 17, 2012 04:49PM

Re: More info needed

Isildur(VIP) March 17, 2012 07:28PM

I don't really have a good solution for it, but I have a problem

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 17, 2012 06:19PM

I also don't think this is that prevalent at all, but

RobDarken March 17, 2012 11:00PM

I don't think that's a real issue

Coumidin March 17, 2012 06:36PM

I agree with Coumidin here.

Scrimbul March 18, 2012 12:37AM

There is nothing wrong with killing babies that are not wanted.

RobDarken March 17, 2012 03:24PM

+1 (n/t)

Artificial March 18, 2012 02:23AM

I get how you're trying to make this point, but the scenario is unrealistic

Coumidin March 17, 2012 06:24PM

I agree completely with your ideas.

satchmo March 17, 2012 06:39PM

I disagree with this purely on the basis that...

(vಠ_ಠ)> AngryFatKid March 17, 2012 06:12PM

Wow, I thought I liked you

legobelt March 17, 2012 03:59PM

Okay, enjoy saving your mindless fetuses.

RobDarken March 17, 2012 10:46PM

While Rob is a dick, he has a point. (n/t)

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 04:05PM

agreed. (n/t)

satchmo March 17, 2012 04:13PM

He does have a point.

legobelt March 17, 2012 04:25PM

I think if the only thing you can do to an argument you don't agree with is blanket it as 'evil' -

Batman March 18, 2012 02:30AM

How did you find out??! (n/t)

legobelt March 18, 2012 09:15AM

It's pragmatic. I don't think it's 'evil.'

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 04:30PM

I am not pro choice. I'm pro abortion.

Quixotic March 17, 2012 01:55PM

This is my stance as well. (n/t)

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 03:59PM

Re: This is my stance as well.

Isildur(VIP) March 17, 2012 06:44PM

To clarify.

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 06:56PM

That's all the apes do too. What difference does it make? (n/t)

Matrik March 18, 2012 10:45AM

One one hand humans are special. On the other...not so much.

satchmo March 17, 2012 06:52PM

Re: One one hand humans are special. On the other...not so much.

Isildur(VIP) March 17, 2012 07:33PM

It's about innocence.

wrathpuppet March 17, 2012 07:48PM

The concept of dumping toxic refuse on our fish ancestors is kind of funny, when you think about it.

RobDarken March 17, 2012 11:28PM

Pretty much this

Coumidin March 17, 2012 09:29PM

Re: Pretty much this

Isildur(VIP) March 18, 2012 05:21AM

For what it's worth, I don't "favor extermination"

Coumidin March 18, 2012 07:08PM

It makes them feel better. Since I assume both Wrathpuppet and Coumidin partake in actions that hurt the environment like everyone else. (n/t)

Matrik March 18, 2012 10:51AM

Of course I do, but I also do what I can.

wrathpuppet March 18, 2012 11:08AM

Re: Of course I do, but I also do what I can.

Isildur(VIP) March 19, 2012 06:21AM

I'll bite

DurNominator(VIP) March 18, 2012 07:02PM

Re: I'll bite

wrathpuppet March 18, 2012 07:36PM

Re: I'll bite

DurNominator(VIP) March 18, 2012 08:28PM

The car issue has a lot to do with where you live (n/t)

Coumidin March 18, 2012 08:49PM

This is quite true.

DurNominator(VIP) March 18, 2012 08:55PM

No man is an Island, Dur.

wrathpuppet March 18, 2012 08:38PM

I won't shoot down your points.

Matrik March 18, 2012 11:20AM

You know someone who swerves to hit squirrels

satchmo March 18, 2012 03:25PM

I like where I live, but this would make me seriously think about moving. (n/t)

Scrimbul March 17, 2012 01:41AM

Re: The evils of abortion

Hoffy March 16, 2012 04:16PM

USA is going to bomb Texas next.

DurNominator(VIP) March 16, 2012 07:51PM



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