I tend to give a handicap out when I argue this

Coumidin

March 28, 2012 02:22PM

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..and just assume that the old testament laws are no longer in play. Of course, you still can't forget "history" (I'm laughing even putting that in quotes), so god was still responsible for all the shit that went down that entire time. Either way, there's enough awfully stupid stuff said in the new testament too - rife with contradictions - that you're better off ignoring something like that rather than arguing with random bible scholars about translations, semantics, etc.

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How god favors evil	Artificial	March 28, 2012 07:25AM
I'm too much of a moral relativist to give a shit about this. (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	March 29, 2012 12:40AM
The problem of evil seems to bother you a lot	PaulO	March 28, 2012 12:59PM
The Book of Nepenthe	Quixotic	March 30, 2012 05:30PM
Who are you to determine what people deserve?	Artificial	March 28, 2012 01:16PM
your god is less moral then us kind of assumes there is no free will	Quas	March 29, 2012 04:33AM
Well, free will is only an illusion, but you'll need to explain why you think god is less moral=no free will	Artificial	March 29, 2012 07:30AM
regarding free will and supposed inadequacies, i give you WoT re: open theism	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 04:38AM
But if he knows which pathway everyone ends up on.....NT	Batman	March 30, 2012 04:39AM
you're thinking too linear	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 05:00AM
For me it's more like.	Batman	March 30, 2012 05:05AM
I really don't understand where the notion that someone knowing the possible outcomes determines the end result...	(và² _à² )> AngryFatKid	March 31, 2012 07:55PM
It's really quite simple.	Matrik	March 31, 2012 08:08PM
seems to me you're caught up	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 05:17AM
Almost, but not really.	Batman	March 30, 2012 05:23AM
yah, not what i'm saying	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 05:43AM
This still doesn't mesh with me.	Batman	March 30, 2012 06:05AM
hmm, can you explain how knowing = determining = no free will?	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 06:21AM
Re: hmm, can you explain how knowing = determining = no free will?	ExPaladin(VIP)	March 30, 2012 06:49AM
Re: hmm, can you explain how knowing = determining = no free will?	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 06:57AM
God knows every path Francis could have taken. However by definition of omniscience, he always knows the path that will be taken. The other branches are just dead wood. (n/t)	Artificial	March 30, 2012 08:30AM
Yeah, that's basically the arguement I was thinking to, but I still think there's a flaw in it	ExPaladin(VIP)	March 30, 2012 07:00AM
The concept of pre-determination isn't relevant to God.	Splntrd	March 30, 2012 10:12AM
Same thing basically exists with calling God "all-powerful"	ExPaladin(VIP)	March 30, 2012 07:15AM
In such a case I would prefer to attack the weakness in human language in reasoning. (n/t)	Matrik	March 30, 2012 07:19AM
Dude, what kind of name is Francis, seriously? NT	Batman	March 30, 2012 06:50AM
Sir Francis Drake was a Francis. (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	March 30, 2012 10:42AM
If anybody calls me Francis, I'll kill them	ExPaladin(VIP)	March 30, 2012 06:51AM
You just made the list, buddy. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	March 31, 2012 09:11PM
Re: hmm, can you explain how knowing = determining = no free will?	Batman	March 30, 2012 06:48AM
i think that is a logical fallacy	The Forsaken(VIP)	March 30, 2012 07:01AM
Then elaborate on the terms for me. I'm assuming we mean a singular omniscient god in a universe like ours.	Batman	March 30, 2012 07:37AM
Let me take a crack at arguing against both of you at the same time:	Matrik	March 30, 2012 07:18AM
I'll give you two wills for free. Now you have free willie.	Matrik	March 29, 2012 07:34AM
That's a good question.	PaulO	March 28, 2012 02:50PM
The evil of God isn't just in the world we live in	reject-o	March 29, 2012 03:40AM
For you and Batman	PaulO	March 29, 2012 10:15AM
Re: For you and Batman	reject-o	March 30, 2012 05:47AM
Re: For you and Batman	PaulO	March 30, 2012 08:31PM
Re: For you and Batman	Batman	March 29, 2012 10:40AM
I absolutely agree.	PaulO	March 29, 2012 03:52PM
Or, you know, reflection upon one's beliefs, with consideration if they could be false, which one should do every single day. (n/t)	Artificial	March 29, 2012 03:58PM
You know what really bugs me about theist arguments?	Stevers	March 29, 2012 10:38AM
You addressed something here that was really bugging me.	Batman	March 29, 2012 03:48AM
Totally agree	reject-o	March 29, 2012 06:11AM
Re: That's a good question.	Artificial	March 28, 2012 05:10PM
Re: That's a good question.	PaulO	March 29, 2012 10:35AM
And that place would be absolutely miserable	Artificial	March 29, 2012 12:29PM
Cute story.	PaulO	March 29, 2012 03:32PM
I should also clarify. It doesnt matter what the bible says about it, because we have no reason to believe it fuckin exists :P (n/t)	Artificial	March 29, 2012 12:35PM
I am curious what you define as 'real'	Quas	March 29, 2012 09:27AM
That one is easy.	vortexmagus	March 30, 2012 04:24PM
I'm not sure what the point of this question is	Artificial	March 29, 2012 10:07AM
I figure it would be an important piece in any proof you have that aethiesm is right and theism is wrong	Quas	March 29, 2012 11:06AM
That's where you always get me:	Matrik	March 29, 2012 10:30AM
Well, my soon to be mother-in-law just sent us a bible.	Matrik	March 28, 2012 03:48PM
Congrats on the engagement	PaulO	March 28, 2012 04:31PM
Thanks, it's been a year since we got engaged.	Matrik	March 28, 2012 04:35PM
Ah, Protestants.	PaulO	March 29, 2012 03:55PM
Re: Who are you to determine what people deserve?	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 01:27PM
Good thing an all-knowing god handed down his divine word through a means which he knew would never be misinterpreted or poorly translated.	Artificial	March 28, 2012 01:50PM
And there you find morals without religion	Coumidin	March 28, 2012 02:03PM
You're jumping into the middle of an entirely different argument...	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 01:57PM
Out of curiosity, did Jesus support the old testament or the original covenant with god - or did he destroy/change it? NT	Batman	March 28, 2012 01:59PM
I tend to give a handicap out when I argue this	Coumidin	March 28, 2012 02:22PM
Why would he yell cock, cock, cock while banging a sign of nofaggots? (n/t)	Matrik	March 28, 2012 01:18PM
Bullshit, I deserve it more than millions upon millions of others.	Matrik	March 28, 2012 01:02PM
May you live long and prosper.	PaulO	March 28, 2012 01:08PM
Daw, PaulOt, you so cute. (n/t)	Matrik	March 28, 2012 01:12PM
That -is- a hell of a pedigree. (n/t)	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 01:04PM
Now imagine that you and Artificial have the exact same pedigree.	Matrik	March 28, 2012 01:06PM
Hey, now, I don't hate Artificial.	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 01:11PM
What's with the tag then? (n/t)	DurNominator(VIP)	March 28, 2012 06:45PM
Hmm...	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 07:47PM
You were being douche and angered him and he said that because he was angry at you.	DurNominator(VIP)	March 28, 2012 11:48PM
Hold on.	Wanderlust-	March 29, 2012 12:19AM
I'm telling you you acted like a dick.	DurNominator(VIP)	March 29, 2012 12:39AM
Oh wait...	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 11:48PM
Are you slow or something?	RobDarken	March 29, 2012 12:04AM
It made some sense, what with the way you and he were reacting to it.	Wanderlust-	March 29, 2012 12:20AM
A post so nice I said it twice, wtf.	Wanderlust-	March 28, 2012 01:11PM

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