I'm wiling to pay for content I want, but not willing to pay for content I don't want

Rade

February 23, 2013 06:51AM

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I have netflix, hulu+, and prime. If there's a good show that's not available I will pirate it. What I won't pay for is a full cable subscription + DVR + HBO. I would gladly pay for HBO GO. Lately it seems the only content I can't get from the services I pay for are AMC and HBO. *shrug*

I don't pirate movies, Redbox or the theater fulfills my needs in that regard.

Almost of the music I want is available for download via services like Amazon and/or Google Play. If it's not I *might* pirate it.. more likely though I'll just pull it up on grooveshark and listen to it until I get tired of it.

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Piracy	ghuljun_thul	February 23, 2013 04:53AM
Re: Piracy	madglee	February 26, 2013 06:05PM
It depends on the situation	DurNominator(VIP)	February 23, 2013 11:11AM
Don't care one way or the other. I don't profit off of any movie/song/game I download, and half the time if I like it enough will buy a physical copy.	Sam	February 23, 2013 10:55AM
Re: Piracy	Isildur(VIP)	February 23, 2013 10:15AM
Copy vs. Steal	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:03AM
Take 2 (LONG)	MudDud	February 23, 2013 02:29PM
I don't have a horse in this race because I prefer to go out for art but..	MiyagiYojimbo	February 23, 2013 05:39PM
Re: I don't have a horse in this race because I prefer to go out for art but..	MudDud	February 23, 2013 06:20PM
It's actually your views which are depressing	MiyagiYojimbo	February 23, 2013 07:00PM
Re: bothering with art	PaulO	February 23, 2013 07:21PM
An self-published book still has IP protection & ways to make $$	MudDud	February 23, 2013 07:44PM
Can make $$ without IP	PaulO	February 24, 2013 04:07AM
Fair point. I do really enjoy eating. Oh, and shelter, I like that too.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 07:19PM
You'll need ditch diggers for that shelter you know	MiyagiYojimbo	February 23, 2013 10:47PM
This post is roughly 90% Matrik Hopping. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 03:58PM
Why is this so hard for you?	MudDud	February 23, 2013 10:19AM
I'm not having any difficulty here. Are you?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:49AM
Can we all please agree to not impose Matrik's fucked up view of morality on the rest of the world?	Java	February 23, 2013 10:52AM
Stealing CAN be wrong. Not stealing IS wrong.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:57AM
Quicksilver would disarm it at the last second. (n/t)	MiyagiYojimbo	February 23, 2013 12:04PM
What I'm gathering from this...	BattleCharmed	February 23, 2013 08:51AM
Java is suited to playing Paladins. Marans, I'm guessing. nt	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:13AM
I tried to play a thief once.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:17AM
They are significant threats to people who are ordinarily difficult to stop~	vortexmagus	February 25, 2013 03:26PM
I cannot play thieves either.	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:33AM
Multiply the brother factor by four.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:39AM
I actually find Stevers' behavior endears him to me on some level..	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:42AM
I hated Batman when he first showed up.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:52AM
<3 I liek u 2 java. NT	Batman	February 26, 2013 02:27AM
Yup.	istirith	February 26, 2013 05:41AM
Would you be surprised if I told you I felt guilty playing a thief and stealing from folks without consequence as well? (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:29AM
It's stealing from somebody.	Jib	February 23, 2013 08:16AM
Nothing wrong with it.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 07:31AM
I would say that there is a grayscale of morality in terms of stealing being wrong.	DurNominator(VIP)	February 24, 2013 12:16AM
Re: Nothing wrong with it.	Cerunnir(VIP)	February 23, 2013 08:48AM
Whoa cool, hadn't heard of HBO Nordic. Not much info on the main site, but I'm very interested. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:53AM
In regards to Piracy, I am inclined to agree. (n/t)	BattleCharmed	February 23, 2013 08:45AM
This is a beautiful and scary...	MudDud	February 23, 2013 08:40AM
I'm not justifying anything. Justfying implies I'm doing something wrong in the first place.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:49AM
and therein lies the point.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 09:03AM
Let's define stealing, shall we?	PaulO	February 23, 2013 10:30AM
Thanks Paul, this is a bit of what I was hoping to get to with my copy vs. steal post. Damn you for ruining the surprise ; ).	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:52AM
Nope, don't agree.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 10:46AM
"you take the content without paying = stealing for me"	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:59AM
Again...you're skipping all over the place.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:15AM
No, you put forth a specific point and I questioned it.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:31AM
Edit: Reread a couple times.	istirith	February 23, 2013 10:44AM
Just because you say something, doesn't make it so.	Java	February 23, 2013 10:42AM
Re: Just because you say something, doesn't make it so.	Isildur(VIP)	February 24, 2013 03:41AM
Ditto.	PaulO	February 23, 2013 12:22PM
Umm.. thanks?	Java	February 23, 2013 12:38PM
Maybe one day you can tell me how to return a stolen bike without it being gone.	PaulO	February 23, 2013 01:49PM
What do you do for a living?	MudDud	February 23, 2013 02:53PM
Software engineer.	PaulO	February 23, 2013 06:45PM
One of the best posts of the thread.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 07:04PM
People that enjoyed what they did?	istirith	February 23, 2013 02:59PM
and they'd have to steal couches...this makes perfect sense!	MudDud	February 23, 2013 03:10PM
Out of curiousity..	istirith	February 23, 2013 03:23PM
That's above my paygrade...	MudDud	February 23, 2013 04:10PM
Re: That's above my paygrade...	istirith	February 23, 2013 04:53PM
Totally	MudDud	February 23, 2013 05:12PM
Don't forget..	istirith	February 23, 2013 10:55AM
You didn't answer PaulO's point.	Sam	February 23, 2013 10:54AM
PaulO has never made an actual point in his life.	Java	February 23, 2013 11:01AM
Here's my point...	Sam	February 23, 2013 11:02AM
Yeah I was actually thinking about that discussion earlier..	Java	February 23, 2013 11:16AM
Well, he wasn't doing that. And college book prices are absurd, so in a way I wouldn't mind them having cheaper competition which would force them to actually competitively price their product...	Sam	February 23, 2013 12:06PM
So is it wrong to go to your friend's house and watch his cable TV?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:53AM
Because the owners of the property have given him permission to do so.	Java	February 23, 2013 11:04AM
this	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:26AM
Re: this	PaulO	February 23, 2013 11:39AM
The whole point is there is no basic wrong/right line.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:39AM
You can't change DVs mid argument....	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:45AM
DVs?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:57AM
Dependent Variable...in other words, the focus of the debate...	MudDud	February 23, 2013 12:05PM
I get it, you don't understand how discussion works. Not devolving into insult trading, sorry. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:07PM
Re: I get it, you don't understand how discussion works. Not devolving into insult trading, sorry.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 12:21PM
You switched the focus to the "Matrik hop," I obliged.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:27PM
Right, but by paying for a DVD, do I not own that intellectual property?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:23AM
What? No. God no.	Java	February 23, 2013 11:40AM
Yeah, bad post by me. Forgot to switch gears when I switched from MudDud to you.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:44AM
IMO, Java and I have been arguing from the same side this entire time...	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:48AM
No, my discussion with Java is worlds apart from yours.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:00PM
To be fair: I also think your moral code is fucked up, and you may be a sociopath. nt	Java	February 23, 2013 12:11PM
Quite likely and not something I haven't heard before.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:13PM
You can copy the DVD for your own use.	DurNominator(VIP)	February 23, 2013 11:31AM
of course you don't....boggle	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:29AM
You need to decide if you want to talk morality or legality.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:42AM
Legally, there's no discussion anymore. We all know what is and isn't legal.	Java	February 23, 2013 11:58AM
Agreed. From a legal standpoint it is without a doubt wrong.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:02PM
Classic Matrik Hop	MudDud	February 23, 2013 11:52AM
I'm not up for trading insults today sorry.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:05PM
Thank you	MudDud	February 23, 2013 12:17PM
A failure of the medium in my opinion.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 12:25PM
Re: A failure of the medium in my opinion.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 01:00PM
Oh rly	Matrik	February 23, 2013 01:37PM
??	MudDud	February 23, 2013 02:12PM
sigh	Matrik	February 23, 2013 02:19PM
Re: sigh	MudDud	February 23, 2013 02:41PM
This is why you don't understand my posts. You assume negativity where there is none.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 03:52PM
Re: This is why you don't understand my posts. You assume negativity where there is none.	MudDud	February 23, 2013 04:23PM
Nice job ignoring the conditional statement. That is likely where your inability to understand what I write lay. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 04:30PM
NOW I've decided to insult you....and may god have mercy on your soul (link enclosed).	MudDud	February 23, 2013 04:52PM
This coming from the guy that thinks punctuation doesn't matter. Keep trying and maybe you will get it.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 05:09PM
Your account got hacked, right?	MudDud	February 23, 2013 05:27PM
You're almost there. I'll yet show you the Path.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 05:47PM
Give credit where it's due. A couple inches north of this post, he admitted being wrong.	Java	February 23, 2013 11:59AM
Enlighten me then. Where am I making a "logic jump"?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:21AM
Your sense of morality is severely fucked up.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:54AM
I could see why you would think that, and don't mind you thinking so.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:59AM
So something has to harm YOU to be bad?	Java	February 23, 2013 09:03AM
No, it has to cause harm to be bad. Also there is some undrawable line of how much harm.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:12AM
You're delusional.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:16AM
I'd say you are delusional as well.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:28AM
Here's a hypothetical situation.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:38AM
Here's a real situation:	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:46AM
Immoral. Your friends actions don't excuse your own.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:51AM
Is that the whole of it?	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:59AM
I never said morality is based on consequences directly. You did.	Java	February 23, 2013 10:05AM
I that case...	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:17AM
It begins as an immoral act and becomes increasingly less immoral as the other information is added to it. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:42AM
Does it? Why?	Java	February 23, 2013 09:47AM
As a side note:	Matrik	February 23, 2013 10:04AM
Because morality is gray.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 09:56AM
I disagree with literally every part of this post.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:00AM
I assumed you would.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:14AM
Look. I get that you're a good guy and you have a moral compass.	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:13AM
See below where I told you to quit excusing people for being douchebags.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:17AM
But it's not a department store and that's the problem.	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:23AM
But just out of curiosity.. what do you suggest, Istirith?	Java	February 23, 2013 08:46AM
Well I only really see one solution here.	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:09AM
I think if he knew that solution he wouldn't be wasting time here ; ). (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:51AM
And one more thing.	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:42AM
There isn't a single business that is ignoring the problem.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:49AM
They do what any business which loses a market is forced to do.	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:12AM
curious: txt	Isildur(VIP)	February 24, 2013 03:53AM
Also. Removing patents doesn't mean the inventor cannot profit from them.	istirith	February 24, 2013 08:30AM
it kind of does. txt	Isildur(VIP)	February 24, 2013 11:27AM
Well..	istirith	February 24, 2013 12:30PM
It's an incredibly complex question really.	istirith	February 24, 2013 04:33AM
Also.. on law.	istirith	February 24, 2013 04:47AM
Those means are acceptable, logical, and reasonable imo. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:50AM
Except it's not.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:37AM
I'm not justifying it. I'm accepting that theft is a reality that must be considered when making policies.	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:58AM
I'm not really sure what we're arguing about.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:10AM
I agree with that point on norms. It's wrong that people would treat piracy in a different manner from theft.	istirith	February 23, 2013 09:24AM
You can't stop every instance.	Java	February 23, 2013 09:33AM
Very true and the idea of a law is to impose artificial costs on person(s) that detriment society.	istirith	February 23, 2013 10:00AM
I don't think he is trying to justify anything.	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:22AM
Re: Piracy	Cerunnir(VIP)	February 23, 2013 07:14AM
I'm wiling to pay for content I want, but not willing to pay for content I don't want	Rade	February 23, 2013 06:51AM
This	MudDud	February 23, 2013 08:33AM
I have no cable, just broadcast TV, that's always an option.	zannon	February 23, 2013 08:49AM
If you have cable internet, you already get basic cable for free...	MudDud	February 23, 2013 09:18AM
Time Warner is the worst company that I deal with regularly. (n/t)	wrathpuppet	February 23, 2013 09:31AM
My stance on Piracy	silvian	February 23, 2013 05:10AM
It's ironic that your pirated Dark Souls worked and my purchased one didn't.	DurNominator(VIP)	February 23, 2013 10:54AM
WE STILL NEED TO PLAY TOGETHER (n/t)	Batman	February 23, 2013 11:48AM
The fuck does it matter how rich they are?	Java	February 23, 2013 05:19AM
Almost certainly no more movies or games in that case, but new music would still come. Just not at the level of distribution we have. (n/t)	Matrik	February 23, 2013 07:27AM
I disagree.. We'd have the same levels of distribution..	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:02AM
Oh, different thought process completely:	Matrik	February 23, 2013 08:18AM
Calm down there killer	silvian	February 23, 2013 05:56AM
As long as you realize that you are a drain on society.	Java	February 23, 2013 06:09AM
Artists make no money and get no royalties, those go to record companies. Programmers often make very little other than the last paycheck after the program launch, they also get no royalties.	Scrimbul	February 23, 2013 07:18AM
So all those people are working for free?	Java	February 23, 2013 07:50AM
They get paid when the project is finished, not based off the subsequent sales of the project.	Scrimbul	February 23, 2013 05:14PM
Lets be fair	silvian	February 23, 2013 06:59AM
Oh quit acting like "the rich" are the bad guys.	Java	February 23, 2013 07:51AM
"suffering from THEIR greed and direct efforts to keep us poor"	Stevers	February 23, 2013 07:11AM
That depends on whether they intend to share the place in which they reside with everyone else.	istirith	February 23, 2013 07:36AM
Or you could just hold people to a higher standard.	Java	February 23, 2013 07:54AM
Except..	istirith	February 23, 2013 08:06AM
Dude, you keep doing it.	Java	February 23, 2013 08:39AM
Places like Wal Mart do accept theft as inevitable though, they just then pass the cost on.	zannon	February 23, 2013 08:55AM
They account for it, sure..	Java	February 23, 2013 08:58AM
Not disputing that.	zannon	February 23, 2013 11:42AM
It is flawed and the worst part is..	istirith	February 23, 2013 03:17PM
Agreed	Matrik	February 23, 2013 11:46AM
You realize you're an ass? Don't be so hard on the guy. What's wrong with a little try before you buy? (n/t)	Frosty	February 23, 2013 06:54AM
I always wondered something about piracy	zannon	February 23, 2013 06:15AM
About the only thing I download now..	Java	February 23, 2013 06:19AM
This is actually quite a common psychological mechanism.	istirith	February 23, 2013 06:02AM
You shouldn't say things like that.	Java	February 23, 2013 06:16AM
I've totally told my family and friends that I am throwing a 1,000,000,000 crack party if I become a billionaire. NT	Sam	February 23, 2013 10:50AM
If I became a billionaire I'd pledge 5mil to the development of a CF game. ..	istirith	February 23, 2013 02:49PM
One part you got wrong there:	Matrik	February 23, 2013 07:35AM
Fair enough. nt	istirith	February 23, 2013 06:33AM

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