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Posted by SphereMaker(IMM) on November 1, 2000 at 11:10:04:

In Reply to: Professionalism posted by Someone on November 1, 2000 at 09:03:31:

First off, I have to say this is one of the goofiest
threads I've read in a while. Jaldean was let go for
not contributing, not because of ethical violations
(I think Pico says that pretty clearly). Writing part
of another immhero's area probably didn't help any.
There are probably a couple other things that didn't
help any either. Bottom line is contribution, though.

All the "look over there!" and comments that fly
around in these discussions remind me of dealing
with cheaters in the Realm of the Dead. You can
guess all you want about what goes on behind the
scenes in this game, but unless you're back there
doing the work, you're pretty much just guessing
or dealing with a patchwosecond hand information.

> There is a matter of professionalism. Pico's actions were a good example of a professional handling a tough
> situation. Dismissals are not pleasant.

I'd concur there. I think he was about as friendly
as you can get about it without coming out with rude
"Look, you sucked!" comments. (I should mention I
don't know Jaldean from Adam, but I know I'm not as
pleasant as Pico in matters like this and think he
did a wonderful job.)

If I understand the system correctly, Bria and Astein are his direct
> supervisors. I could go into professionalism and the importance of communication from direct supervisors
> but I can't see it doing any good.

Monitors might be more accurate than supervisors. Ultimately the IMPs (as a group, not individually) are responsible for all terminations. Obviously only Jaldean, Bria, and Astein can speak about the amount of communication between them, not you or I.

> > > It certainly appears that they were trying to save face instead of coming out in the open.

> > Save face over what? I'm guessing you think there was some cover-up going on...?

> You questioned his ethics. Any decent person would respond given similar circumstances.

I'm not sure I understand what's being said here, but
again, Bria and Astein don't have the power to let
Jaldean go. They can make recommendations and provide
feedback only. I'm guessing what Jaldean meant here
was that he thinks they were too uncomfortable with
talking to him about problems directly. Like I said,
we have no way of knowing that.

> > [snip other MUD comment].

> I could go into childish banter, and the lack of maturity with this comment.

If someone who worked for me in telecommunications
company A said something like "I'm gone, and I no
longer respect the intellectual property rights of
company A" and I then heard he was going to work for
telecommunications company B, I'd be a little leary
of what was going on there. Even if company B had
a sharp, vastly talented legal staff like Graatch
working for them, I'd be wary that my company's legal
contracts were being violated. If you know anything
about NDA's, you know I'm not making this up.

> You might want to find out what it's like to actually run a company. You don't seem to
> have a clue.

Just for sake of reference, what companies have you
yourself run? I think the 7 years that CF has been
successful at keeping itself up and running despite
the fact that no one even gets paid (and we end up
paying out of pocket to provide a game for you guys)
is a pretty good track record. I'm guessing the
combined corporate experience of the professional
immortals we have on staff might outweigh your own
personal experience, but I'm open to correction.

Follow Ups:

You just may.... The Arcane(Off-Duty) 12:49:53 11/1/2000 (21)
- Bleh. Time for me to get in on this. Nepenthe(IMM) 14:21:36 11/1/2000 (5)
  - I appreciate the mature reply. The Arcane(OFF DUTY) 14:45:37 11/1/2000 (2)
    - Gotta ask An Immortal(IMM) 16:06:44 11/1/2000 (1)
      - Me too, my copy doesn't have it either....Doh! N/T Eric Prothero 19:19:23 11/1/2000 (0)
  - but on the off chance... The First Apostle 14:28:12 11/1/2000 (1)
    - damnit.. that should say.. a second chance not second chances (n/t) TFA 14:29:09 11/1/2000 (0)
- I might, but not because of you SphereMaker(IMM) 14:17:23 11/1/2000 (11)
  - By popular demand Cathoir 15:17:02 11/1/2000 (3)
    - You're close. SphereMaker(IMM) 15:40:20 11/1/2000 (2)
      - Well Cathoir 17:03:40 11/1/2000 (1)
        
        He said...Chicken Fucker! BOO on the Spheremaker your loosing this one BOO!!!!! (text) Eric Prothero 19:35:45 11/1/2000 (0)
  - Please stop posting this. You're making all the imms who don't stoop to things like accusing people of being impotent on a public forum look bad. Stop before you make the entire immstaff look immature, please. (n/t) Someone who respects the CF imms 14:25:28 11/1/2000 (6)
    - The subject line is small for a reason. SphereMaker(IMM) 15:01:28 11/1/2000 (5)
      - As is the difference between you and Graatch. (text) That Discerning Individual 15:11:33 11/1/2000 (4)
        
        I'm sure your pity is appreciated. However... SphereMaker(IMM) 15:24:25 11/1/2000 (3)
        
        Ahhh, Sacer... Fly on the Wall 18:15:09 11/1/2000 (2)
        
        Be strong. For all of us. [n/TP] SphereMaker(IMM) 18:57:34 11/1/2000 (1)
        
        You are definatly on a trip... Eric Prothero 20:04:23 11/1/2000 (0)
- No company is going to survive, if they don't take their customers' complaints seriously. That's something you people, with the "combined corporate experience of the professional immortals" ought to have picked up on by now (N/T) Joshu 13:10:32 11/1/2000 (2)
  - For fucks sakeswe arent customers..we are leeches playing a free game they put together for us, and yes..I am even one of the top donaters. n/t Angered 14:56:55 11/1/2000 (1)
    - If they insist on being a "company," then we can continue to take the absurdity to whatever level we like. I'll be a customer, you be a fish. n/t Fly on the Wall 18:17:23 11/1/2000 (0)
It was going to be short. Someone 12:03:42 11/1/2000 (0)
Nitpicky aside from deep in the eleventy-fifth paragraph: Proud Blade(VIP) 11:48:08 11/1/2000 (0)
that ascii turd in the middle of the second paragraph is supposed to be 'patchwork of' [n/TP] SphereMaker(IMM) 11:14:11 11/1/2000 (0)

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Comments:	> > First off, I have to say this is one of the goofiest > threads I've read in a while. Jaldean was let go for > not contributing, not because of ethical violations > (I think Pico says that pretty clearly). Writing part > of another immhero's area probably didn't help any. > There are probably a couple other things that didn't > help any either. Bottom line is contribution, though. > All the "look over there!" and comments that fly > around in these discussions remind me of dealing > with cheaters in the Realm of the Dead. You can > guess all you want about what goes on behind the > scenes in this game, but unless you're back there > doing the work, you're pretty much just guessing > or dealing with a patchwosecond hand information. > > There is a matter of professionalism. Pico's actions were a good example of a professional handling a tough > > situation. Dismissals are not pleasant. > I'd concur there. I think he was about as friendly > as you can get about it without coming out with rude > "Look, you sucked!" comments. (I should mention I > don't know Jaldean from Adam, but I know I'm not as > pleasant as Pico in matters like this and think he > did a wonderful job.) > If I understand the system correctly, Bria and Astein are his direct > > supervisors. I could go into professionalism and the importance of communication from direct supervisors > > but I can't see it doing any good. > <i>Monitors</i> might be more accurate than <i>supervisors</i>. Ultimately the IMPs (as a group, not individually) are responsible for all terminations. Obviously only Jaldean, Bria, and Astein can speak about the amount of communication between them, not you or I. > > > > It certainly appears that they were trying to save face instead of coming out in the open. > > > Save face over what? I'm guessing you think there was some cover-up going on...? > > You questioned his ethics. Any decent person would respond given similar circumstances. > I'm not sure I understand what's being said here, but > again, Bria and Astein don't have the power to let > Jaldean go. They can make recommendations and provide > feedback only. I'm guessing what Jaldean meant here > was that he thinks they were too uncomfortable with > talking to him about problems directly. Like I said, > we have no way of knowing that. > > > [snip other MUD comment]. > > I could go into childish banter, and the lack of maturity with this comment. > If someone who worked for me in telecommunications > company A said something like "I'm gone, and I no > longer respect the intellectual property rights of > company A" and I then heard he was going to work for > telecommunications company B, I'd be a little leary > of what was going on there. Even if company B had > a sharp, vastly talented legal staff like Graatch > working for them, I'd be wary that my company's legal > contracts were being violated. If you know anything > about NDA's, you know I'm not making this up. > > You might want to find out what it's like to actually run a company. You don't seem to > > have a clue. > Just for sake of reference, what companies have you > yourself run? I think the 7 years that CF has been > successful at keeping itself up and running despite > the fact that no one even gets paid (and we end up > paying out of pocket to provide a game for you guys) > is a pretty good track record. I'm guessing the > combined corporate experience of the professional > immortals we have on staff might outweigh your own > personal experience, but I'm open to correction.

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