Hear here! Well said and dead on! n/t

October 08, 2007 07:51PM
> There's WAY too much to go into great detail, if you're interested in the intimate details I would welcome you to read an American History textbook. Jon Stewart came out with one a few years ago which is a little less dry than most, but pick one up on ebay or something.. nothing too hard, an elementary or middle school level text book is sufficient. I mean that's all the amount of education most people have anyways... okay I'm getting off track. The following is my own ramblings on why I think Americans view socialization so differently than people in other countries. It is not intended to be definitive and anyone may feel free to correct anything they disagree with. <br>> <br>> Our whole sense of self as a nation and as individuals is predicated on the American Dream. The American Dream isn't about everybody, it's about ME. It's about me being able to work my ass off and become a successful person in life. This whole idea of a democracy (please no lessons about how we're a republic) is about the power of the individual to make the choices which affect their own lives. We <i>became</i> a nation largely because the British royalty became too greedy and taxed us into oblivion. The sense of self, individual power and choice is demonstrated in the Bill of Rights. It was SO important to us that the first thing we did after we founded our nation was to sit down and list a bunch of stuff the government could never touch. The Constitution did not grant people certain rights, it enumerated a very limited set of rights for the government because all other rights were deemed to be endowed by the Creator. <br>> <br>> Many of the people you scorn about being evil for not wanting things like public health care are the very people who donate the largest percentages of their incomes to charities. There is no sense of pride in paying your tax bill. There is a great sense of pride in cutting that check for the homeless shelter or that children's cancer research hospital. You see when I cut that check I have decided on my own free will to fund that thing which I find most beneficial to society. There's no better form of democracy than having your own money. Every dollar is like a little mini-vote for the charity, business, service you give it to. Giving your power/dollars to the government is anti-democratic because it removes the choice from the American people and puts it into the hands of an elite few. That's what all of the anti-federalists are talking about. They believe so strongly in the power of democracy that they want to keep the power of their dollar as local as possible. The belief in democracy is that the accumulation of all the little dollars in all the little places of the country becomes incredibly powerful, and becomes powerful proportionately to the number of people who support that effort. <br>> <br>> Now you may not agree with the reason Americans behave the way we do, and I'll be the first to admit it's not always in our best interests. I just want to shed some light on the American psyche so that hopefully the Europeans amongst us can at least understand the perspective of the typical American mind. We've been filled with pro-American propaganda since birth, just like you have towards your own respective country. Everyone is brought up to believe that their way is the one right way. Now, in particular referring to social healthcare here, a lot of minds are starting to change in America. That may or may not be a good thing, only time will tell. However, your way is NOT the one and only right way. There is no such thing.
Subject Author Views Posted

American heritage and why Europeans don't understand

Rade 968 October 08, 2007 05:03PM

Query: Do you support public funding of elections? (nt)

ShroomKing 607 October 08, 2007 07:05PM

Irrelevant to his topic. n/t

Pro 529 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

I dont have a problem with personally funding candidates

hopelessdwarf 606 October 08, 2007 09:54PM

I don't have a strong opinion either way nt

Rade 652 October 09, 2007 01:38PM

Hear here! Well said and dead on! n/t

Pro 650 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

That's about right. nt

Scrimbul 682 October 08, 2007 08:10PM

American heritage and why americans don't understand.

Cenatar 664 October 08, 2007 10:28PM

Early US (puritannical) religion

ExPaladin 678 October 09, 2007 01:03AM

How widespread was this?

Cenatar 700 October 09, 2007 02:17AM

See my post above. We as Americans give our money/resources away

Pro 685 October 09, 2007 05:54AM

Hmmm

Cenatar 1359 October 09, 2007 07:44AM

Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Pro 624 October 09, 2007 12:26PM

Re: Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Cenatar 647 October 09, 2007 12:34PM

Okay. You're drunk on sardine juice. This concludes our debate. n/t

Pro 736 October 09, 2007 03:17PM

I was told this some twenty-five to thirty years ago

ExPaladin 602 October 09, 2007 06:28AM

Yeah

Cenatar 588 October 09, 2007 07:40AM

The concept was written about over 100 years ago

ExPaladin 743 October 09, 2007 08:50AM

While for the most part I agree

hopelessdwarf 805 October 09, 2007 08:01AM

Are you doing this on purpose? It's Uppercase A. American. n/t

Pro 626 October 09, 2007 05:53AM

In Finnish and Swedish grammar lowercase is used for nationalities and languages

DurNominator 687 October 09, 2007 06:04AM

Yeah, sorry Pro. Old

Cenatar 718 October 09, 2007 07:33AM

habits die hard (nt in this and above)

Cenatar 567 October 09, 2007 07:34AM

Thats funny you learn something new everyday! n/t

hopelessdwarf 606 October 09, 2007 07:57AM

Who knew?! n/t

Pro 650 October 09, 2007 12:22PM

I've always assumed it was an underhanded insult. n/t

Pro 575 October 09, 2007 12:23PM

There are some who describe you as slightly paranoid. n/t

Death_Claw 652 October 10, 2007 06:34AM

I know, they've been watching me for years. n/t

Pro 615 October 10, 2007 06:59AM

Ugh! UGH! UGH!

Odrirg 600 October 09, 2007 07:17AM

Democracy

DurNominator 683 October 08, 2007 11:10PM

Man, you are so brain washed.

Pro 561 October 09, 2007 05:52AM

Re: Man, you are so brain washed.

DurNominator 712 October 09, 2007 07:04AM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 651 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

I agree too. I have been worried sick about the success of my agents.

Pro 636 October 09, 2007 11:34AM

Selfish.

[TheForsaken-] 1268 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

Well said. n/t

Death_Claw 747 October 09, 2007 07:24AM

It is not two teams.

Cenatar 690 October 09, 2007 07:47AM

Sick kids.

[TheForsaken-] 668 October 09, 2007 08:05AM

Conversely...

Rade 581 October 09, 2007 01:16PM

Ha! Good point. nt

[TheForsaken-] 729 October 10, 2007 08:10AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Pro 663 October 09, 2007 11:32AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Cenatar 603 October 09, 2007 12:35PM

What is mean about it?

Pro 564 October 09, 2007 03:16PM

Maybe it's the positive attitude

DurNominator 762 October 09, 2007 11:33PM

Yep.

Pro 774 October 10, 2007 07:57AM

It does not work as placebo(nt)

Cenatar 570 October 10, 2007 01:19AM

Of course it does. It's spiritual sugar pills. n/t

Pro 554 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Scientific studies does not support you(nt)

Cenatar 529 October 10, 2007 07:06AM

Actually they do.

Pro 577 October 10, 2007 07:55AM

The world you see relies on opportunities that often don't exist.

Yhorian 718 October 09, 2007 07:50AM

Agreed.

[TheForsaken-] 745 October 09, 2007 08:16AM

Exactly n/t

Lokain 642 October 09, 2007 11:04AM

Socialism removes opportunity. Period.

Pro 751 October 09, 2007 11:31AM

Since when?

Graham 723 October 09, 2007 11:36AM

When it levels the value of your efforts.

Pro 669 October 09, 2007 12:01PM

What?

Cenatar 714 October 09, 2007 12:31PM

Not like the current system in the USA.

Pro 664 October 09, 2007 01:06PM

Not at all.

Cenatar 678 October 09, 2007 01:26PM

It's the slippery slope.

Pro 679 October 09, 2007 03:15PM

It stops to a system where people think that it works nicely.

DurNominator 663 October 09, 2007 10:40PM

It never stops. It never has. n/t

Pro 777 October 10, 2007 04:52AM

You seriously need to read up on communism and the history of it(nt)

Cenatar 639 October 10, 2007 07:04AM

I have. And I've done it from the outside looking in.

Pro 772 October 10, 2007 07:54AM

What? You think Sweden has been a communist country or what?(nt)

Cenatar 545 October 10, 2007 07:58AM

Pro is funny n/t

Graham 767 October 10, 2007 09:15AM

Socialism is not. n/t

Pro 689 October 10, 2007 09:46AM

Socialism / Communism, you're never quite sure which one you hate are you? ~

Graham 707 October 10, 2007 11:37AM

They are two shades of the same color. --> Servitude. n/t

Pro 643 October 10, 2007 05:16PM

How are they servitude?

DurNominator 694 October 10, 2007 09:34PM

Just before the patriot act? (nt)

Cenatar 663 October 10, 2007 12:13AM

I think you're considering some sort of communism.

Graham 601 October 09, 2007 12:51PM

Other way to put it

DurNominator 688 October 09, 2007 10:24PM

I THINK I can elaborate on Pro's point

hopelessdwarf 660 October 10, 2007 12:34PM

Nailed it. n/t

Pro 749 October 10, 2007 10:51PM

But when you look at the countries you realise that it's bullshit, i get you ~

Graham 725 October 11, 2007 01:36PM

A-FUCKING-MEN.

Blackbird 610 October 09, 2007 04:14PM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 537 October 10, 2007 04:59AM

Re: I disagree.

DurNominator 672 October 11, 2007 06:01AM

Sounds pretty easy to me

Rade 711 October 11, 2007 08:14AM

Maybe, but New York is his home terrain. nt

DurNominator 789 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Its not that terribly difficult. Socialism has made you weak. n/t

Death_Claw 688 October 16, 2007 10:42AM

Easy.

Death_Claw 650 October 16, 2007 10:49AM

Because many of them are so ridiculously rich, they can afford to. nt

Yhorian 642 October 09, 2007 07:53AM

There is no such thing as rediculously rich. n/t

Pro 596 October 09, 2007 11:28AM

Are you doing this on purpose?! It's I not E. Ridiculous! :P n/t

Lokain 558 October 09, 2007 01:08PM

Touche! n/t

Pro 517 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

Also, note that these voluntary aid programs are also a form of socialism

DurNominator 588 October 09, 2007 10:26PM

No they aren't. Stop stretching. Your vagina will tear. n/t

Pro 540 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Ok, we can agree that it's communistic instead. :P

DurNominator 537 October 10, 2007 09:11AM

Communal is not Communist.

Pro 1261 October 10, 2007 03:44PM

A large difference between the United States and Europe.

Death_Claw 598 October 09, 2007 07:19AM

Even last week those crazy Europeans were complaining about the dollar.

[TheForsaken-] 618 October 09, 2007 07:31AM

Democracy vs Representative Democracy

Rade 557 October 09, 2007 01:48PM

This is even more appalling. Please take social studies classes again. nt

Nivek 560 October 09, 2007 05:29PM

Regarding Americans, American businesses, and charity

Rade 568 October 09, 2007 01:05PM

Democracy is a way of making decisions; Narcissism is about ME. ~

Chalupah 668 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

The American Dream is about personal achievement nt

Rade 714 October 09, 2007 03:33PM

It is?(nt)

Cenatar 710 October 10, 2007 12:17AM

Yep. 100% true n/t

Pro 646 October 10, 2007 04:48AM

Ok, it has varied a lot over time so I was just asking.(nt)

Cenatar 606 October 10, 2007 07:05AM

No, it really hasn't.

Pro 702 October 10, 2007 07:53AM

I'm curious what you think other versions of the American Dream have been?

ExPaladin 668 October 11, 2007 04:52AM

Well

Cenatar 805 October 11, 2007 09:38PM

I'd argue home-ownership was just a different way of defining success

ExPaladin 682 October 15, 2007 05:18AM

Yes.

Cenatar 613 October 15, 2007 08:05AM

Its not necessary.

Death_Claw 763 October 16, 2007 10:56AM

The American Dream -- defined

Rade 628 October 11, 2007 04:41AM

That's not the same as some have spouted on this forum.

DurNominator 710 October 11, 2007 06:17AM

Additionally

DurNominator 591 October 11, 2007 06:34AM

Why catch those that fall? Seems unnecessary. n/t

Death_Claw 693 October 16, 2007 10:39AM

Socialism is antithesis to Democracy nt

Rade 681 October 11, 2007 08:08AM

Depends on what definitions are used.

DurNominator 591 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Also.. Freedom is about individual choice nt

Rade 804 October 09, 2007 03:41PM

Rade, that second paragraph is appalling. nt

Nivek 506 October 09, 2007 05:24PM

Also, to the non US citizens reading this forum.

Nivek 625 October 09, 2007 05:28PM

U.S. Citizens don't say cheers. Go home you Limey. n/t

Pro 688 October 09, 2007 07:24PM

And don't forget to get some fish and chips on your way back! n/t

Vladamir 535 October 09, 2007 08:53PM

He may not speak for you, but I don't think he missed the mark by much

ExPaladin 652 October 10, 2007 02:35AM

It wasn't intended to represent everyone nt

Rade 513 October 11, 2007 04:36AM

Why so?

Scrimbul 709 October 09, 2007 06:44PM

The first half is opinion. The second is inaccurate. nt

Nivek 539 October 10, 2007 04:23PM

Only if you are an Un-American Fuck. n/t

Pro 492 October 10, 2007 05:15PM

No true scotsman?(nt)

Cenatar 593 October 10, 2007 09:41PM

Good thing I am neither American, nor a Fuck. nt

Nivek 1345 October 11, 2007 12:29PM

Ok, maybe I am a fuck. I am, however, not UN-American. nt

Nivek 696 October 11, 2007 12:30PM

Well, if you're going to be vague, I call faggot.

Scrimbul 619 October 10, 2007 07:31PM

Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Nivek 624 October 11, 2007 12:26PM

Part of teaching for a living...

Scrimbul 680 October 11, 2007 03:47PM

Re: Part of teaching for a living...

Nivek 611 October 11, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Isildur 762 October 15, 2007 05:31AM

In all honesty, the way this threads going. I actually like some of you now.

Pro 513 October 10, 2007 03:00PM

&quot;Why america is so geat&quot; essays stopped being the rage in 4th grade n/t

Kadsuane 742 October 10, 2007 04:55PM

Aced my doctorate dissertation with one of those. n/t

Death_Claw 584 October 11, 2007 04:16AM

The University of Phoenix has a doctoral program?n/t

jegec 780 October 11, 2007 02:25PM

Heheheh. n/t

Death_Claw 646 October 15, 2007 06:44AM

Your response shows your own bias

Rade 614 October 11, 2007 05:19AM



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