The American Dream -- defined

October 11, 2007 04:41AM
This is an excerpt from the wikipedia article: <br> <br><i>Today, it generally refers to the idea that one's prosperity depends upon one's own abilities and hard work, not on a rigid class structure. For some, it is the opportunity to achieve more prosperity than they could in their countries of origin; for others, it is the opportunity for their children to grow up with an education and career opportunities; for still others, it is the opportunity to be an individual without the constraints imposed by class, caste, race, gender or ethnicity. It sometimes includes the idea of owning a home.</i> <br> <br>[en.wikipedia.org] <br> <br>While wikipedia isn't considered a 'definitive' source, I agree with this first part, which is all I read. <br>
Subject Author Views Posted

American heritage and why Europeans don't understand

Rade 969 October 08, 2007 05:03PM

Query: Do you support public funding of elections? (nt)

ShroomKing 608 October 08, 2007 07:05PM

Irrelevant to his topic. n/t

Pro 529 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

I dont have a problem with personally funding candidates

hopelessdwarf 607 October 08, 2007 09:54PM

I don't have a strong opinion either way nt

Rade 652 October 09, 2007 01:38PM

Hear here! Well said and dead on! n/t

Pro 651 October 08, 2007 07:51PM

That's about right. nt

Scrimbul 682 October 08, 2007 08:10PM

American heritage and why americans don't understand.

Cenatar 665 October 08, 2007 10:28PM

Early US (puritannical) religion

ExPaladin 679 October 09, 2007 01:03AM

How widespread was this?

Cenatar 701 October 09, 2007 02:17AM

See my post above. We as Americans give our money/resources away

Pro 685 October 09, 2007 05:54AM

Hmmm

Cenatar 1359 October 09, 2007 07:44AM

Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Pro 624 October 09, 2007 12:26PM

Re: Where as Americans do volunteer work.

Cenatar 647 October 09, 2007 12:34PM

Okay. You're drunk on sardine juice. This concludes our debate. n/t

Pro 736 October 09, 2007 03:17PM

I was told this some twenty-five to thirty years ago

ExPaladin 603 October 09, 2007 06:28AM

Yeah

Cenatar 589 October 09, 2007 07:40AM

The concept was written about over 100 years ago

ExPaladin 744 October 09, 2007 08:50AM

While for the most part I agree

hopelessdwarf 805 October 09, 2007 08:01AM

Are you doing this on purpose? It's Uppercase A. American. n/t

Pro 627 October 09, 2007 05:53AM

In Finnish and Swedish grammar lowercase is used for nationalities and languages

DurNominator 687 October 09, 2007 06:04AM

Yeah, sorry Pro. Old

Cenatar 719 October 09, 2007 07:33AM

habits die hard (nt in this and above)

Cenatar 569 October 09, 2007 07:34AM

Thats funny you learn something new everyday! n/t

hopelessdwarf 607 October 09, 2007 07:57AM

Who knew?! n/t

Pro 651 October 09, 2007 12:22PM

I've always assumed it was an underhanded insult. n/t

Pro 576 October 09, 2007 12:23PM

There are some who describe you as slightly paranoid. n/t

Death_Claw 652 October 10, 2007 06:34AM

I know, they've been watching me for years. n/t

Pro 615 October 10, 2007 06:59AM

Ugh! UGH! UGH!

Odrirg 601 October 09, 2007 07:17AM

Democracy

DurNominator 684 October 08, 2007 11:10PM

Man, you are so brain washed.

Pro 561 October 09, 2007 05:52AM

Re: Man, you are so brain washed.

DurNominator 713 October 09, 2007 07:04AM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 652 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

I agree too. I have been worried sick about the success of my agents.

Pro 636 October 09, 2007 11:34AM

Selfish.

[TheForsaken-] 1269 October 09, 2007 07:23AM

Well said. n/t

Death_Claw 748 October 09, 2007 07:24AM

It is not two teams.

Cenatar 691 October 09, 2007 07:47AM

Sick kids.

[TheForsaken-] 669 October 09, 2007 08:05AM

Conversely...

Rade 581 October 09, 2007 01:16PM

Ha! Good point. nt

[TheForsaken-] 730 October 10, 2007 08:10AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Pro 664 October 09, 2007 11:32AM

Re: It is not two teams.

Cenatar 603 October 09, 2007 12:35PM

What is mean about it?

Pro 565 October 09, 2007 03:16PM

Maybe it's the positive attitude

DurNominator 762 October 09, 2007 11:33PM

Yep.

Pro 774 October 10, 2007 07:57AM

It does not work as placebo(nt)

Cenatar 570 October 10, 2007 01:19AM

Of course it does. It's spiritual sugar pills. n/t

Pro 555 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Scientific studies does not support you(nt)

Cenatar 530 October 10, 2007 07:06AM

Actually they do.

Pro 577 October 10, 2007 07:55AM

The world you see relies on opportunities that often don't exist.

Yhorian 719 October 09, 2007 07:50AM

Agreed.

[TheForsaken-] 746 October 09, 2007 08:16AM

Exactly n/t

Lokain 643 October 09, 2007 11:04AM

Socialism removes opportunity. Period.

Pro 752 October 09, 2007 11:31AM

Since when?

Graham 724 October 09, 2007 11:36AM

When it levels the value of your efforts.

Pro 669 October 09, 2007 12:01PM

What?

Cenatar 715 October 09, 2007 12:31PM

Not like the current system in the USA.

Pro 664 October 09, 2007 01:06PM

Not at all.

Cenatar 678 October 09, 2007 01:26PM

It's the slippery slope.

Pro 680 October 09, 2007 03:15PM

It stops to a system where people think that it works nicely.

DurNominator 664 October 09, 2007 10:40PM

It never stops. It never has. n/t

Pro 778 October 10, 2007 04:52AM

You seriously need to read up on communism and the history of it(nt)

Cenatar 640 October 10, 2007 07:04AM

I have. And I've done it from the outside looking in.

Pro 772 October 10, 2007 07:54AM

What? You think Sweden has been a communist country or what?(nt)

Cenatar 545 October 10, 2007 07:58AM

Pro is funny n/t

Graham 768 October 10, 2007 09:15AM

Socialism is not. n/t

Pro 690 October 10, 2007 09:46AM

Socialism / Communism, you're never quite sure which one you hate are you? ~

Graham 708 October 10, 2007 11:37AM

They are two shades of the same color. --> Servitude. n/t

Pro 644 October 10, 2007 05:16PM

How are they servitude?

DurNominator 695 October 10, 2007 09:34PM

Just before the patriot act? (nt)

Cenatar 663 October 10, 2007 12:13AM

I think you're considering some sort of communism.

Graham 603 October 09, 2007 12:51PM

Other way to put it

DurNominator 688 October 09, 2007 10:24PM

I THINK I can elaborate on Pro's point

hopelessdwarf 661 October 10, 2007 12:34PM

Nailed it. n/t

Pro 750 October 10, 2007 10:51PM

But when you look at the countries you realise that it's bullshit, i get you ~

Graham 726 October 11, 2007 01:36PM

A-FUCKING-MEN.

Blackbird 610 October 09, 2007 04:14PM

I disagree.

Death_Claw 538 October 10, 2007 04:59AM

Re: I disagree.

DurNominator 673 October 11, 2007 06:01AM

Sounds pretty easy to me

Rade 712 October 11, 2007 08:14AM

Maybe, but New York is his home terrain. nt

DurNominator 790 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Its not that terribly difficult. Socialism has made you weak. n/t

Death_Claw 689 October 16, 2007 10:42AM

Easy.

Death_Claw 650 October 16, 2007 10:49AM

Because many of them are so ridiculously rich, they can afford to. nt

Yhorian 642 October 09, 2007 07:53AM

There is no such thing as rediculously rich. n/t

Pro 597 October 09, 2007 11:28AM

Are you doing this on purpose?! It's I not E. Ridiculous! :P n/t

Lokain 559 October 09, 2007 01:08PM

Touche! n/t

Pro 517 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

Also, note that these voluntary aid programs are also a form of socialism

DurNominator 589 October 09, 2007 10:26PM

No they aren't. Stop stretching. Your vagina will tear. n/t

Pro 541 October 10, 2007 06:57AM

Ok, we can agree that it's communistic instead. :P

DurNominator 538 October 10, 2007 09:11AM

Communal is not Communist.

Pro 1262 October 10, 2007 03:44PM

A large difference between the United States and Europe.

Death_Claw 599 October 09, 2007 07:19AM

Even last week those crazy Europeans were complaining about the dollar.

[TheForsaken-] 618 October 09, 2007 07:31AM

Democracy vs Representative Democracy

Rade 558 October 09, 2007 01:48PM

This is even more appalling. Please take social studies classes again. nt

Nivek 560 October 09, 2007 05:29PM

Regarding Americans, American businesses, and charity

Rade 568 October 09, 2007 01:05PM

Democracy is a way of making decisions; Narcissism is about ME. ~

Chalupah 668 October 09, 2007 03:14PM

The American Dream is about personal achievement nt

Rade 715 October 09, 2007 03:33PM

It is?(nt)

Cenatar 711 October 10, 2007 12:17AM

Yep. 100% true n/t

Pro 647 October 10, 2007 04:48AM

Ok, it has varied a lot over time so I was just asking.(nt)

Cenatar 607 October 10, 2007 07:05AM

No, it really hasn't.

Pro 702 October 10, 2007 07:53AM

I'm curious what you think other versions of the American Dream have been?

ExPaladin 668 October 11, 2007 04:52AM

Well

Cenatar 806 October 11, 2007 09:38PM

I'd argue home-ownership was just a different way of defining success

ExPaladin 682 October 15, 2007 05:18AM

Yes.

Cenatar 613 October 15, 2007 08:05AM

Its not necessary.

Death_Claw 764 October 16, 2007 10:56AM

The American Dream -- defined

Rade 628 October 11, 2007 04:41AM

That's not the same as some have spouted on this forum.

DurNominator 710 October 11, 2007 06:17AM

Additionally

DurNominator 592 October 11, 2007 06:34AM

Why catch those that fall? Seems unnecessary. n/t

Death_Claw 694 October 16, 2007 10:39AM

Socialism is antithesis to Democracy nt

Rade 682 October 11, 2007 08:08AM

Depends on what definitions are used.

DurNominator 592 October 11, 2007 08:40AM

Also.. Freedom is about individual choice nt

Rade 805 October 09, 2007 03:41PM

Rade, that second paragraph is appalling. nt

Nivek 507 October 09, 2007 05:24PM

Also, to the non US citizens reading this forum.

Nivek 626 October 09, 2007 05:28PM

U.S. Citizens don't say cheers. Go home you Limey. n/t

Pro 689 October 09, 2007 07:24PM

And don't forget to get some fish and chips on your way back! n/t

Vladamir 535 October 09, 2007 08:53PM

He may not speak for you, but I don't think he missed the mark by much

ExPaladin 652 October 10, 2007 02:35AM

It wasn't intended to represent everyone nt

Rade 513 October 11, 2007 04:36AM

Why so?

Scrimbul 710 October 09, 2007 06:44PM

The first half is opinion. The second is inaccurate. nt

Nivek 539 October 10, 2007 04:23PM

Only if you are an Un-American Fuck. n/t

Pro 493 October 10, 2007 05:15PM

No true scotsman?(nt)

Cenatar 593 October 10, 2007 09:41PM

Good thing I am neither American, nor a Fuck. nt

Nivek 1346 October 11, 2007 12:29PM

Ok, maybe I am a fuck. I am, however, not UN-American. nt

Nivek 696 October 11, 2007 12:30PM

Well, if you're going to be vague, I call faggot.

Scrimbul 619 October 10, 2007 07:31PM

Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Nivek 625 October 11, 2007 12:26PM

Part of teaching for a living...

Scrimbul 680 October 11, 2007 03:47PM

Re: Part of teaching for a living...

Nivek 612 October 11, 2007 03:57PM

Re: Call me what you wish. That, too, is opinion. Not fact.

Isildur 762 October 15, 2007 05:31AM

In all honesty, the way this threads going. I actually like some of you now.

Pro 514 October 10, 2007 03:00PM

&quot;Why america is so geat&quot; essays stopped being the rage in 4th grade n/t

Kadsuane 742 October 10, 2007 04:55PM

Aced my doctorate dissertation with one of those. n/t

Death_Claw 585 October 11, 2007 04:16AM

The University of Phoenix has a doctoral program?n/t

jegec 781 October 11, 2007 02:25PM

Heheheh. n/t

Death_Claw 646 October 15, 2007 06:44AM

Your response shows your own bias

Rade 614 October 11, 2007 05:19AM



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