No anti-paladin receives dodge. Your point is asinine if not nonsensical.

January 14, 2017 12:19AM
I find that a lack of innovative thinking & imagination is quite common among the most vocal critics of felar power builds.

A pertinent example of that is when a player like yourself decides to try their hand at, say, a felar warrior, and then attempts to force a duergar-ish playstyle upon their felar. You then discover that you're basically choosing your legacies just to try and compensate for that felar's unique drawbacks (lowest PC strength, lowest carry weight, not being able to dual wield two different weapons, etc.), and conclude that you're being forced to waste one or both of your legacy choices just on covering these drawbacks, while receiving a warrior who can't bash properly or carry a lot of weight in return for it.

What you manage to overlook completely is that a felar needs to be played at their unique strengths instead. Those strengths include dual wielding average 31 hand to hand attacks with any two-handed weapon (and more importantly, the spec skills it offers) while boasting the hp pool and hp regeneration of a fire giant and the dodging potential of a human assassin, all in one warrior. With proper legacy choices, a felar hand to hand spec remains a major threat in circumstances that would seal the fate of most any other warrior, a felar staff/spear spec gets to combine above average defensive abilities with above average damage output with just basic gear (which most other warrior types would require prepping and/or cabal powers to reliably achieve), and a felar whip spec can replace his bash with a very reliable lash, combining whip and hand to hand (two hard to parry and relatively exotic damage types) with a massive hp pool, excellent dodging, and excellent crowd control abilities. (On that note, never use entwine with a felar. Use lash instead to keep them in the fight instead.)

Something similar to this above dynamic holds true for virtually every other class felar can play as. There is no point in playing a felar anti-paladin as a gimped duergar or fire giant anti-paladin. Felar require a different, innovative approach that plays to their strenghts rather than one that desperately tries to compensate for their weaknesses. Once you know how to do this, the benefits of choosing the race become plainly obvious. I think this is what Torak has repeatedly tried to point out as well.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2017 12:24AM by GoldenApple.
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Best race for AP

wraith January 13, 2017 10:02AM

Before edgepoint nerf, Human. Assuming no edgepoints, Duergar. (n/t)

Elystan January 15, 2017 02:17AM

It's old but still fairly relevant

torak(VIP) January 13, 2017 07:37PM

Re: It's old but still fairly relevant

wraith January 14, 2017 02:47PM

Fire giant. Always was, always will be. If you can't hack it, then AP isn't for you. No, I'm not joking. (n/t)

Frosty January 13, 2017 11:54AM

Nepenthe and his answer of a felar AP would like a word with you

torak(VIP) January 13, 2017 07:32PM

To me this is obvious, but - If so then where was Nep's awesome felar AP?

Nurok January 16, 2017 06:52AM

He's not here. Fire giant, number ONE, steady hand.

Frosty January 13, 2017 07:47PM

I tend to base my view off Shaapa as he's the only one who has had real success in recent memory.

Rhyaldrin January 13, 2017 07:58PM

I certainly wouldn't base my view off the success of any character played by a cheater like Torak. (n/t)

Matrik January 14, 2017 07:46AM

"I've never seen a felar ap that wasn't a speed bump." Hey torak, how's it hanging? ;) (n/t)

Frosty January 13, 2017 08:20PM

Go go 17 str parry and no dodge. (n/t)

Murphy January 13, 2017 08:06PM

sigh...

torak(VIP) January 13, 2017 08:21PM

Lol. And still 17 str and no dodge. (n/t)

Murphy January 13, 2017 08:36PM

No anti-paladin receives dodge. Your point is asinine if not nonsensical.

GoldenApple January 14, 2017 12:19AM

tl;dr

Murphy January 14, 2017 01:10AM

By the by,

GoldenApple January 14, 2017 02:35AM

Warriors have dodge, and in this case, defensive spin/distance. (n/t)

Murphy January 14, 2017 02:43AM

All anti-paladins have parry, shield block, and ABS.

GoldenApple January 14, 2017 02:48AM

Felar APs tank so horribly that they are beyond salvation by any crafty ideas.

Murphy January 14, 2017 03:23AM

I've always been puzzled by this mentality.

GoldenApple January 14, 2017 03:34AM

Wait, I did what now? (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 10:26PM

The lips of wisdom are sealed; except to ears of understanding

zoskia January 14, 2017 01:00PM

For the record Torak busts his ass.

Frosty January 14, 2017 10:34PM

You can do better than Torak dude. Leave those douches behind. (n/t)

Matrik January 14, 2017 10:56PM

Just because he's played douchy characters doesn't make his good ones disappear. You can't play favorites, Rik, that would be considered "cheating." ;) (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 10:57PM

Lol. "Rik"

Murphy January 15, 2017 02:24AM

You're doing it wrong, again. (n/t)

Frosty January 15, 2017 04:32AM

He doesn't have any good ones.

Matrik January 14, 2017 11:21PM

"Just because he's played douchy characters"

Rhyaldrin January 14, 2017 11:13PM

You're cute (n/t)

torak(VIP) January 14, 2017 10:23PM

Who asked me anything?

Matrik January 14, 2017 01:35PM

lol

Rhyaldrin January 14, 2017 01:29PM

Did you ever read house of leaves?

NbM(VIP) January 14, 2017 04:25PM

Seconded. (n/t)

wrathpuppet January 14, 2017 04:36PM

Now you just have to bring up trappers and Flaaayin.

Murphy January 14, 2017 03:43AM

You misspelled "troll". (n/t)

GoldenApple January 14, 2017 01:37AM

He didn't even troll you. You're just dumb.

Matrik January 14, 2017 07:45AM

Troll. (n/t)

Murphy January 14, 2017 01:53AM

I like how you list abomination and anazu as pro-felar reasons. :)

Frosty January 13, 2017 08:30PM

There are a few "easy" sources of watershield for heroes out there. (n/t)

Nurok January 16, 2017 05:15AM

Pretty sure Rayihn isn't around, so no real EASY form of watershield :) :) :)

Sam January 16, 2017 05:28AM

the orb is now resist water instead of the shield (n/t)

Quas January 16, 2017 06:38AM

Seriously? :( :( :( :( NT

Sam January 16, 2017 07:17AM

Yeah it's a major bummer. That did not need to get changed. (n/t)

Frosty January 16, 2017 08:15AM

Same with all of them, just resist. I mean, I had the spell, so I didn't give a shit, lol. (n/t)

bloodmoon January 17, 2017 03:07PM

Orb of air isn't resist air, it's just fly.

Sam January 17, 2017 03:23PM

I coded those gauntlets and they do not ignore defenses, they only fire on hits that already were going to land

Mort January 16, 2017 05:00AM

Boom. Headshot.

Sam January 16, 2017 05:13AM

IIRC +40% if both hands empty, +20% otherwise (n/t)

Mort January 16, 2017 06:09AM

PS I still remember that thing you told me about Hell from waaaay back when.

Sam January 17, 2017 03:33AM

Fine

torak(VIP) January 14, 2017 08:23AM

Again, we are NOT talking god levels with 200+ charges, we're talking FIRST TIME AP PLAYER, ffs.

Murphy January 14, 2017 03:32PM

They make pretty solid warriors and rangers, Murph. NT

Sam January 14, 2017 07:47PM

I still wanna play felar beastmaster/marshdweller, but can't think of a good cabal

bloodmoon January 15, 2017 05:28PM

They're easy to get and relatively easy to keep.

wrathpuppet January 15, 2017 05:41PM

But then I lose out on sweet plaguing staff.

bloodmoon January 15, 2017 06:13PM

Plus

bloodmoon January 15, 2017 06:16PM

Sounds like a role for Scion. oh wait (n/t)

Murphy January 17, 2017 04:01AM

Re: Fine

Frosty January 14, 2017 02:08PM

-he said, **I said, it's pretty simple :) (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 03:09PM

Your privilege is showing. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin January 14, 2017 03:14PM

Am I supposed to check it? I don't know what to do. (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 05:04PM

There you go frosty, how's that? (n/t)

NbM(VIP) January 14, 2017 05:34PM

Thanks. :) (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 07:06PM

Learn to quote Frosty that's a mess.

Rhyaldrin January 14, 2017 02:20PM

Re: Fine

Kstatida January 14, 2017 10:32AM

Are you sure? Because that's what I though too, but I know Torak knows felars well too. Can we get a ruling on this from someone else please? (n/t)

Frosty January 14, 2017 02:09PM

I was wearing it as Zqoemoa for a long long time.

Kstatida January 16, 2017 12:19AM

I should also add

Kstatida January 16, 2017 12:43AM

lol torak never fails to amuse. (n/t)

Rhyaldrin January 14, 2017 11:10AM

shows how much you know. hack is an berserker skill. dummy. nt

Isildur(VIP) January 13, 2017 12:48PM

I thought it was a Russian skill. Fuck, yeah, shows what I know. (n/t)

Frosty January 13, 2017 01:04PM

With half the game playing hiding classes I'd say human trib.

Rhyaldrin January 13, 2017 11:15AM

Trib just doesn't jive well with the aggression a successful AP requires. (n/t)

Elystan January 15, 2017 02:19AM

Duergar is the best race for everything.

Murphy January 13, 2017 10:09AM

Human unless you're a boss.

Sam January 13, 2017 10:08AM



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