It's not about having an I win button

March 23, 2009 10:47AM
That's just the thing. Sleek rods are abs on a stick. So, if you don't want to give abs on a stick, the logical solution is to *gasp* not give abs on a stick. Instead they decided to make finding abs on a stick a pain in the ass, third time now. Game balance is up to discussion, whether mages are balanced with or without abs is up to discussion. The fact that 65%ish dam redux is available to a mage character once various hoops have been jumped is ridiculous. It's time to either decide that

a) abs is not balanced -> remove/tweak
b) abs is balanced -> quit fucking around with it

Personally when playing Chrichuk, I rarely used abs (yes, any of it), and I found out that a very very well geared scion voker is gross even without. Against RBWs solo I usually slapped on aura. Personally I think mages are fairly balanced even if barrier was removed altogether. But the fact that it remains available, but requires jumping through annoying hoops does nothing to make it more blanced, or fun.
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A thought about ABS

AsidMonk March 22, 2009 02:37PM

They are not that hard to find...

lightmage March 23, 2009 03:55PM

Yeah, I mean, its always been doable. Even easier cheating but...

Death_Claw March 25, 2009 01:27PM

The devil is in the details.

Balrahd(VIP) March 25, 2009 02:14PM

I feel like detect artifact has changed.

Inquisitor March 23, 2009 05:57PM

Re: I feel like detect artifact has changed.

VoiceOfReason March 23, 2009 07:29PM

That might make sense. I have never tested it. Good point. n/t

lightmage March 24, 2009 02:04PM

My thoughts about ABS after reading your and dervish's posts.

Balrahd(VIP) March 22, 2009 11:47PM

It's not about having an I win button

elmeri March 23, 2009 10:47AM

My impression is that the "hoop jumping" is the balancing factor.

Balrahd(VIP) March 23, 2009 12:51PM

My point exactly, hoop jumping the way it is, shouldn't be a balancing factor

elmeri March 24, 2009 07:32AM

I agree, barrier is not needed in CF.

The Forsaken(VIP) March 23, 2009 11:48AM

Not all mages are invokers...

Death_Claw March 25, 2009 01:15PM

I think barrier wands should be moved to the Ancient dragons. Easy to find, hard to get. nt

Someone Not Special, Esquire March 23, 2009 02:22PM

Well.. cant melee classes get Aura/Shield/Stoneskin too? nt

crafteddeception March 23, 2009 12:06PM

But it's much, much more readily available to mages with wands and sleek spots.

The Forsaken(VIP) March 23, 2009 12:15PM

1. You read unattentively. 2. You speculate. 3. Your analogy has wrong logic.

dervish March 23, 2009 06:00AM

Re: My thoughts about ABS after reading your and dervish's posts.

alex March 23, 2009 03:22AM

They don't. Stop trying to "win". Have fun. NT

Sam March 23, 2009 03:50AM

Re: They don't. Stop trying to "win". Have fun. NT

alex March 23, 2009 04:32AM

I occasionally play mages (invokers mostly) and I think that sleeks aren't the end-all solution

Someone Not Special, Esquire March 22, 2009 10:08PM

That's the spirit! nt

WraithOfLight March 23, 2009 12:09PM

Agreed. Well said. Also: Dervish.

istirith March 23, 2009 12:27AM

Mages are random...

ekvilibr March 22, 2009 10:38PM

How about?

Hobotora March 22, 2009 08:55PM

Re: How about?... summon sleek spell for mages??? n/t

ekvilibr March 22, 2009 10:40PM

They should absolutely not be free.

istirith March 22, 2009 09:23PM

They already have this.

Atavios March 23, 2009 09:08PM

Thing that piss me off with sleek wands

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:07PM

I hate the fact my last mage had a set that was literally easier to get than a bracelet of golden chain.

Sam March 23, 2009 04:07AM

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Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 03:25PM

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dervish March 22, 2009 03:37PM

Elhe

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:00PM

Re: Elhe

dervish March 22, 2009 04:06PM

Re: Elhe(edited)

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:11PM

If you have to whine-bag that you are elite, you are Not elite nt

NbM March 22, 2009 07:02PM

Re: Elhe

dervish March 22, 2009 04:15PM

Re: A thought about ABS

Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 03:49PM

Eh...

Death_Claw March 25, 2009 01:46PM

Re: A thought about ABS

dervish March 22, 2009 03:58PM

Another thought about ABS.

DurNominator(VIP) March 22, 2009 02:59PM

My issue with ABS is that the system is dumb - its always been dumb, it will always be dumb.

Death_Claw March 25, 2009 01:22PM

It hurts casual players too

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:15PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

dervish March 22, 2009 03:05PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 03:27PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

dervish March 22, 2009 03:31PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 03:39PM

Detect Artificat only comes at 51. n/t

alansmithee March 22, 2009 04:36PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

dervish March 22, 2009 03:41PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 03:53PM

Actually you're pretty off base.

Death_Claw March 25, 2009 01:36PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

dervish March 22, 2009 04:01PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

Isildur(VIP) March 22, 2009 08:17PM

Re: Another thought about ABS.

alex March 22, 2009 03:01PM

I think consistent warrior-players benefited as well

dervish March 22, 2009 03:08PM

It's not so much "not liking challenging mages"

Balrahd(VIP) March 22, 2009 11:18PM

I feel that Elhe can outprep the a/b/s mages with any class. nt

DurNominator(VIP) March 23, 2009 12:28PM

He's probably talking about his last Scion warrior which he won't admit to playing ;) NT

Sam March 23, 2009 04:08AM

Your speculations are even above Isildur's.

dervish March 23, 2009 05:56AM

He's talking about Elhe - we all get that you don't have much experience with the matchups you're talking about nt

Balrahd(VIP) March 23, 2009 06:14AM

as a good warrior player before

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:04PM

Re: as a good warrior player before

dervish March 22, 2009 04:09PM

Agreed n/t

Elhe March 22, 2009 04:12PM



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