My thoughts on rangers for PK

February 25, 2010 05:45PM
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Some good "standard" combos:

felar beastmaster/forester: wasps is just that good (read annoying to others) and can make people think twice about attacking you. Bears meh. Serpentkinship is niche but nice maledicts when you get lucky. Felar for spear/staff+claws.

Wasps is nothing without the edge. You will kill maybe once out of 20 times you land it, and it is a REAL BITCH to land.
Bears don't even bother practicing. SK is very nice even if the effects are random, it still kicks ass (think about why).
Wolf is the kickass beastmaster ability at hero and predator's stance is the icing on the cake.
Foresters don't get sure footing and can be lagged easy if not careful. The bonus with this is that you get bearcharge
that works well (enlarged for max benefits). Not my 1st choice but solid.

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felar survivalist/forester. Full use of scrolls/talismans makes it easy to have access to aura/shield. This can be an answer to "out of wilderness" fighting. Throw on protection/stoneskin and you can stand toe to toe with the beefiest of warriors. I know because I've killed some much better warrior pkers than myself like this out of the wilderness while sleeping at the keyboard =).

I don't really like this combo. Call lightning without the edge is crap and even with the edge i don't really like it. Scrolls and entangle are the major reasons to play survivalist, entangle alone can destroy low levels. I don't think it does as well at hero as other combos. Fighting outside the wilds if you don't have a solid understanding of the class and your enemies is a recipe for disaster no matter how many protections you throw on top.

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Cloud giant mountaineer. Bearcharge.

Best combo for PK even for new players with limited experience. My no1 choice.


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I have two schools of thoughts on gearing a ranger. Most of my experience is with felar, but:

School 1: Offense-- Gear for +damage and try and win with ambush + burst damage.
School 2: Defense: Gear for +str, +dex, + saves (in that order) and try and whittle your opponents down. You should rarely die in 1 on 1 PvP fights, but it'll be more difficult to seal kills. But. You can easily regear with enough +str at hero to be able to take all dagger maledicts or boneshatter+impale, etc without worrying about dropping your heavy ass ranger spear, which is nice.

I don't bother gearing in dex, wildfam takes care of that. +dmg first, +str later, for saves you can take the edge and not bother. There should be no ranger gearing
for defense and long drawn-out fights imo. You should strive to unload HUGE damage in the shortest amount of time possible and leave them wondering what
hit them. If you lose the element of surprise and try to go toe to toe with ppl who can seriously maledict you (like dagger specs) you will get destroyed.
You need to bring them into your game, not try and play theirs. And at hero, you WILL drop your spear against any serious maledicting class no matter how much +str you have unless you really go overboard with it and neglect dmg. Then you're simply a tool. If you plan it right, dropping the spear is not the end of the world, and by the time it happens your opponent should be nearly dead and the fight in your hands.

Also, as i've said in another post in the past, after wildfam i never bother with weight considerations. I even take edge so i can haul more stuff around.
It works fine for me.

For killing mobs in civilized there are usually things you can do like have them track you into the wilds or get help from others. You won't be able to solo a lot of hero mobs in civilized no matter how many protections you have but it's irrelevant as you don't need to do it for PK.

Also, i'd say that felar and w-elf are not for the new player. They require experience and solid understanding of the class and tactics to get kills (it gets harder at hero even with snare). So if you want to PK and you're new to rangers play cloud giant.
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Thoughts on Rangers

Welverin February 25, 2010 03:08PM

Dear Welverin- Sticking with a character for more than three days makes it way easier to learn stuff. (n/t)

bell February 26, 2010 08:01AM

Dear Bell, Man I don't think I could have made it the...

Welverin February 26, 2010 09:15AM

Ooo, sick burn. You're right, too, forcing Nep to make a specific rule about pledging is prolly a pretty good sign that you know what's up. (n/t)

bell February 26, 2010 11:18AM

Never Mind

Welverin February 26, 2010 02:58PM

Anti Metal.

used_to_play February 26, 2010 09:51PM

Re: Thoughts on Rangers

semi_newbie February 26, 2010 01:40AM

You'll learn more by trying stuff out

daurwyn(VIP) February 25, 2010 10:49PM

Scrimbul permalagged everyone with multiple cloud moutaineer, it was gross. (n/t)

debriguy February 25, 2010 09:38PM

WHERE IS YOUR DEATHBLOW NOW?! (n/t)

Scrimbul February 26, 2010 06:16AM

P.S. I've given up trying to tell ranger newbies they should play that build.

Scrimbul February 26, 2010 06:20AM

Re: P.S. I've given up trying to tell ranger newbies they should play that build.

Welverin February 26, 2010 03:06PM

There's been cloud savages running around for precisely these reasons.

Scrimbul February 27, 2010 07:33PM

Re: Thoughts on Rangers

Isildur(VIP) February 25, 2010 07:41PM

I pretty much agree but...

semi_newbie February 26, 2010 01:46AM

Forget hunters if you want to PK. Play cloud/felar/human/welf anything but hunter. (n/t)

zoskia February 25, 2010 05:17PM

Cosign. I'd not advice anything but giant for PK however. (n/t)

dervish February 25, 2010 05:25PM

Giants have the advantage in dam and lag, but other races get more use from creep to help setup fights.

used_to_play February 25, 2010 08:51PM

Three most PK succesful rangers were felars. Just saying. (n/t)

alex February 25, 2010 07:47PM

Has more to do with the players than the build. You have to consider those rangers have about 500 more hours played than most. (n/t)

Starscream February 25, 2010 08:00PM

that's mitigated somewhat. txt

Isildur(VIP) February 25, 2010 10:44PM

Played by vets. Felars are not for new players who want to PK. (n/t)

zoskia February 25, 2010 07:56PM

Re: Thoughts on Rangers

Jib February 25, 2010 04:31PM

My thoughts on rangers for PK

zoskia February 25, 2010 05:45PM

Sorry to monkey wrench you, but...

The Faithful of Nazmorghul February 26, 2010 04:56AM

cosigned

callowin February 26, 2010 09:18AM

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKFAST (n/t)

Blackbird February 26, 2010 12:02AM

I disagree about gearing for maladicts...

deriveh February 25, 2010 09:06PM

I am talking about felars, what you say is not impossible but not easy

zoskia February 25, 2010 09:30PM

Hehe Siden was cool, anyways about str gear...

deriveh February 25, 2010 10:32PM

Tripple post (n/t)

deriveh February 25, 2010 09:05PM

Doublepost (n/t)

deriveh February 25, 2010 09:05PM

Ditto on the wasps.

TheBard February 25, 2010 05:07PM

This is most definitely wrong. Standard wasps is nothing to worry about. (n/t)

zoskia February 25, 2010 05:09PM

Unless you are an applicant/rager. Then you are often dead. (n/t)

dervish February 25, 2010 05:29PM

It depends, i'd say odds are they'll live rather than die. Stats will be posted in the future and things will be made apparent. (n/t)

zoskia February 25, 2010 05:46PM

Wasps often slow you and paralyse you. That will fuck up your day bigtime. n/t (n/t)

NeverMindTheWarlocks February 26, 2010 02:10AM

Re: Thoughts on Rangers

Welverin February 25, 2010 04:51PM

hps for 20 vs 23 con

used_to_play February 25, 2010 08:12PM

Also..

used_to_play February 25, 2010 08:20PM

see below (n/t)

zoskia February 25, 2010 06:01PM

Re: Dodge for low level pk should not be a consideration. Gear on dmg and try to land two ambushes. They will die.

zoskia February 25, 2010 06:05PM

I RARELY die to ambushing built rangers UNLESS I flee into a snare and eat a second ambush. (At hero that is.) (n/t)

deriveh February 25, 2010 09:10PM

Are there ranger builds you ROUTINELY die to at hero?nt

used_to_play February 25, 2010 09:47PM

True... I suppose cloud mountaineer savage would kill most warriors at hero just by looknig at them in their hometerrain. ^^ (n/t)

deriveh February 25, 2010 10:33PM

At low levels, ambushing will get you the kills. Certain builds can unload HUGE dmg below 20. At hero you need snare/tactics depending on race/build and element of surprise too.

zoskia February 25, 2010 09:39PM



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