Re: Imperial duergar dagger/hth

March 29, 2012 08:34AM
As a rule, I agree that hth is one of the weaker spec. But as with all rules, there are many exceptions. You have to look at the whole package you are getting - and how the different aspects of your build work together.

In this case (pre-legacy choice), the build does not really excel at anything except for dropping maladictions. But you will have the deadliest set of stat-dropping tools out there available to you. Not the most powerful perhaps, that award goes to mace/dagger or assassins, but the best for landing you kills.

The reason for this is the seemingly small fact that hurl, artery and vital are all 1-round skills. This means that if you time things right, you will always have the first move after dropping their strength.

For example, let's assume you open the fight with hurl, enemy responds with a dirt kick. Now you can follow up with an artery, and then decide what to do next. If you successfully drop his weapons, you can go imperial offense and start bashing. Otherwise, you can just berserk or something and see what he does next. If, then, he does another two-round skill (let's say that he is silly and disarms you.) Now you drop a vital area, and then have the option to go into offensive bash mode again. (Note here that if you had been a mace spec instead, you would at some point have to boneshatter your enemy and thus creating a situation where he has the next command, and if your boneshatter turned the fight heavily in your favor which will often be the case, he will just run off.)

Also, hand to hand deals with some very specific threats that warriors have a hard time countering otherwise. Entwine/bloodthirst, ranger ambushes (cannot flee safely because of snare), cutoff specs and quicksand come to mind.

Lastly, when you go into imperial offense mode, you will be very deadly as your opponent's tanking will be quite screwed - you are definitley comparable to a charged up stsf spec against a heavily maladicted opponent. You lose the cutoff from stsf, but you have bash and superior strength (which is important for crushing blow and pummel) - plus dern eq means you will usually have a really high damroll.

Also, you can make good use of the resist holy shield to soak up damage while handing out maladictions.

Good legacies would be:
- Bash legacy - needs no explanation
- Cry of thunder - juice that damage rush even more
- Forsaken thoughts - helpful against the wrath vuln and communers (fort+outlander has plenty)
- Hour past midnight - if you really want a lagging opener.. you are hth spec so you will have space for weapons
- Gates
- Riddle
- Enigma - offensive wands + stun
- Harmonious equilibrium
- Calming the tempest
- Whispers (not for imperial, but nice for a berserker version of the build

the reason is so longish is because i really want to play but...

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Subject Author Posted

which duergar warrior combos could be fun?

thomas March 29, 2012 06:44AM

My funnest duergar build...

jalim March 30, 2012 02:06AM

Question regarding daggers

Rhyaldrin March 29, 2012 04:08PM

Yes. Duergars are second to arials for best dagger specs IN MY OPINION having played both frequently. n/t

jalim March 30, 2012 02:07AM

Duergar Axe/Mace balance/better parry warmaster (n/t)

Zheeser March 29, 2012 11:57AM

Don't do duergar warrior. Seriously. You'll delete even faster than your usual 2-3 weeks

alex March 29, 2012 10:22AM

perhaps i can make a new record.. last more than 4 weeks:-)

thomas March 29, 2012 10:44AM

That's the total life span of all legobelt's characters put together. n/t

Stevers March 29, 2012 10:46AM

Probably (n/t)

legobelt March 29, 2012 11:05AM

Yeah, Duergar Shaman in Empire is almost a power combo :) NT

Sam March 29, 2012 10:27AM

You already mentioned this, but...Duergar Dagger/Polearm with Gates and Forsaken.

Sam March 29, 2012 09:12AM

Forsaken Thoughts is shit, according to everyone who has had it on a duergar. (n/t)

Artificial March 29, 2012 09:24AM

I had it on a Minotaur and liked it. NT

Sam March 29, 2012 10:03AM

It was bad ass for Kyaltaru.

TripHitNdip March 29, 2012 11:07AM

I think the opinion of it being sucky arose when people were under the impression it would decrease damage from wrathing weapons

ExPaladin(VIP) March 29, 2012 10:07AM

it does reduce the damage, but unlike resist positive it doesn't flip the vuln to a resist. (n/t)

Quas March 29, 2012 10:53AM

That's why you take Gates to negate the vulnerability basically..

Sam March 29, 2012 10:14AM

Imperial duergar dagger/hth

Flipside Oreo March 29, 2012 07:46AM

When I saw the thread title I was going to recommend this too.

Coumidin March 29, 2012 08:47AM

Re: Imperial duergar dagger/hth

thomas March 29, 2012 07:52AM

Re: Imperial duergar dagger/hth

Flipside Oreo March 29, 2012 08:34AM

This is a very interesting post.

vortexmagus March 29, 2012 09:10AM

I like this build. (n/t)

laearrist March 29, 2012 08:49AM

I suggest duergar mace/dagger, with whatever legacies you think you want by the time you get to that point.

DurNominator(VIP) March 29, 2012 06:49AM

Re: I suggest duergar mace/dagger, with whatever legacies you think you want by the time you get to that point.

thomas March 29, 2012 06:59AM

You get don't get bored by 80 hours. You get frustrated, break role, and complain by 80 hours. nt

crafteddeception March 29, 2012 07:41AM

im not perfect or even good at this game no, but i play a couple of char once a year, when its fun. im just a bad loser... should see me when i lose in poker ;-) (n/t)

thomas March 29, 2012 07:51AM

Duergar mace/dagger balance/landslideorsomething and join a cabal. NT

Batman March 29, 2012 07:01AM

axe/hand is my vote

Quas March 29, 2012 07:01AM

Agreed.

The Forsaken(VIP) March 29, 2012 06:54AM

no need for balance in that

Quas March 29, 2012 07:02AM

Duergar have AMAZING stats. People just shy away from them due to wrath vuln. n/t

Forsooth March 29, 2012 06:54AM

Which is easy to mitigate for 2k a pop in galadon for prot from good. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) March 29, 2012 06:55AM

Wow. That works against all those wrath weapons? Huh. Who knew.

alansmithee March 29, 2012 07:39AM

Gah, you're such a blowhard.

The Forsaken(VIP) March 29, 2012 07:56AM

It does nothing for the wrath vuln. Period. You are spreading misinfo to someone who may accept it as truth. Stop that, you dolt. (n/t)

alansmithee March 29, 2012 09:13AM

Man, you are such a shithead.~

Blackbird March 29, 2012 10:17AM

I'm sorry your reading skills are inadequate. Good luck in your dolting. nt

The Forsaken(VIP) March 29, 2012 09:28AM

in fairness I thought your first post was misleading the first couple glances

Quas March 29, 2012 10:52AM

Fake post. (n/t)

RobDarken March 29, 2012 09:24AM



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