same old debate

December 29, 2015 09:08PM
I think that Wrathpuppet is right. You must have as much protections as you can going in. Deathblow is the most senseless power in the game. It is so overpowered that in order to have a chance at beating a berserker villager you have to go ABS and anything else you can get your hands on. This power is not balanced out by anything else in the game that I am aware of. I am assuming you were at or near full hit points going in and got two rounded through haste, stone skin, and the natural damage reduction from the giant wasp. I have never appreciated a skill where all a player has to do is stand there to kill you. In this particular instance, I am aware that Varnon drummed, but the round where he did not drum was a 450 hp damage round. He did not have to drum to win. Kudos to you for actually even trying to kill him. I would not go at Varnon without a gank squad and eve then you're going to lose a bunch of your party. Please don't whine about the current necro situation. You saw the damage output. You summon and his bloodlust goes off. Your summon lag would also end you. The Masters cabal with the power that turns magic items into extra HP (and the Scions as well) are now defunct. The Master's cabal with the Scourge of the violet spider, when that was not getting spellbaned was also pretty ridiculous, is defunct. I have never appreciated deathblow, even when I played berserker villagers. hell, the only time I can even put together a positive Pkill ratio was when you could just stand on Eastern Road with toughness and bloodlust on and let the game just run autoattacks with deathblows in them.


No Sir, I just don't like it. Flame away if you must.
Subject Author Views Posted

Idiot underestimates lag of murder

LogFiend 982 December 29, 2015 06:28PM

Gnome shifter against maces? (n/t)

Kstatida 265 December 30, 2015 02:07AM

Vuln blunt doesn't transfer to form. (n/t)

Murphy 307 December 30, 2015 03:43AM

Are you sure?

Demtok 410 December 30, 2015 06:39AM

Weapon/Element weaknesses/resistances do not carry over into forms. There's an edge that allows resists to carry over to forms though. However race effects do carry over. Catnip will still work for a Felar shifter even in form.

dalneko 353 December 30, 2015 07:19AM

same old debate

ellokraine 531 December 29, 2015 09:08PM

An orc (non chief) could hand varnon his ass time and again with preps bought in stores.

Nurok 383 December 30, 2015 03:49AM

Situational

daurwyn(VIP) 368 December 30, 2015 04:52AM

Believe me, a D-elf STSF dagger defender is going to do better vs an orc

Nurok 418 December 30, 2015 04:58AM

Autumn/Gates Beserker pincersvirf. Destroyed Orcs. nt

TheProphet 372 December 30, 2015 05:08PM

Chump Orcs maybe. I'd punt your ass to oblivion...

laearrist 324 December 31, 2015 11:36AM

I hated punt

Quas 343 January 01, 2016 07:31AM

Yea, punt is svirf killer. With a certain size diff it sends you flying and lags (I think) which is why reduced gnome gets face eaten. (n/t)

laearrist 280 January 01, 2016 07:36AM

Greeting/Cry Fire Giant Sword/Pole Berserker

zannon 453 December 30, 2015 05:14AM

Right, but that's because he has a counter to bash

daurwyn(VIP) 360 December 30, 2015 05:12AM

Nah greeting crashing berserker is generally going to be easy pickings

Quas 346 December 30, 2015 06:46AM

How does an Orc reliably lag a warrior with greeting? (n/t)

Rhyaldrin 289 December 30, 2015 07:35AM

Headbutt should work. Never got to try my wraithform idea, stupid imperials (n/t)

Elystan 284 December 30, 2015 12:58PM

I've been consistently dissapointed by headbutt. Even post changes. (n/t)

laearrist 307 December 30, 2015 02:59PM

I loved it

daurwyn(VIP) 344 December 31, 2015 07:16AM

I've never gotten consistent/reliable trip lag out of it.

laearrist 325 December 31, 2015 11:38AM

I prefer lash+lasher edge. If they changed it so you could headbutt while dual wielding - sure. (n/t)

Nurok 291 December 30, 2015 04:21PM

Be bigger and bash them, heck don't need to be bigger

Quas 367 December 30, 2015 07:53AM

I've never been reliably bashed by anyone as a greeting warrior.

Rhyaldrin 372 December 30, 2015 10:32AM

Nep posted somewhere it only negates bashes 1/5 times at its best. n/t

jalim 277 December 30, 2015 11:51AM

He also said something similar about parry anything

daurwyn(VIP) 356 December 31, 2015 05:54AM

Felt considerably higher than that as Sindrir.

Rhyaldrin 361 December 30, 2015 12:47PM

Have successfully bashed greeting warriors... A lot...

laearrist 376 December 30, 2015 11:44AM

It saved Baelen's ass a lot.. (n/t)

Elystan 310 December 30, 2015 12:57PM

Even if it's 1/5 like jalim says that should still be enough to survive an Orc.

Rhyaldrin 358 December 30, 2015 12:50PM

Anything that can be reliably lagged is Orc-meat.

Nurok 335 December 30, 2015 05:16AM

Yeah but don't you guys value your time?

Death_Claw 319 January 06, 2016 09:23AM

This is false in nearly every way.... (n/t)

laearrist 273 January 06, 2016 10:14AM

Does savage feeding fire on drive?

zannon 289 December 30, 2015 05:19AM

Not on drive itself - I don't know if a landslide guy drove me as Kobuk or not.

Nurok 306 December 30, 2015 05:22AM

I know concealed is anti bash

daurwyn(VIP) 416 December 30, 2015 09:03AM

If you can't be lagged via bash due to concealed - how do you argue that you don't "get use" out of defender skills

Nurok 307 December 30, 2015 09:05AM

Against most enemies I agree defender is great

daurwyn(VIP) 399 December 30, 2015 10:03AM

STSF elf/drow dagger/sword is tougher. Even noremove giant sword can just be bashed through...

laearrist 313 December 30, 2015 11:45AM

But

daurwyn(VIP) 312 December 31, 2015 05:58AM

I'm on the fence re:defender vs berserker easier kills for orc

laearrist 327 December 31, 2015 11:55AM

Giant pole works if they get a no remove one.

Quas 299 December 31, 2015 12:41PM

Brinkmun had the Fauchard of Mammon for a time. NT

Sam 326 December 31, 2015 06:02PM

Mage didn't have even stoneskin up

alex 419 December 30, 2015 12:46AM

You really over estimate village warriors.

tesline 422 December 29, 2015 10:09PM

Won - yes. Sealed the kill? Doubt it. n/t

Death_Claw 303 January 06, 2016 09:19AM

without deathblow it would have been an easy flee; shapeshift air form; fly to prevent death (n/t)

orbain 362 January 06, 2016 10:15AM

I think you underestimated the importance of damage reduction when fighting berserkers more. (n/t)

wrathpuppet 373 December 29, 2015 07:27PM



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