I'm on the fence re:defender vs berserker easier kills for orc

December 31, 2015 11:55AM
Not every fight with an orc is orc bashing until dead. Lots of builds can require blood chugging which also leads to (potentially) defenders patching themselves up. You *can* outlast an orc as a battle defender, but the time frame for that is really long and chances are they'll give up or wear you down some other way somehow.

Berserker can land you deathblow kills (which is always true) and that kind of damage output is difficult for orc to handle. STSF elf/d-elf sword would rip through an orc either way, berserker or not, but the zerker *might* land more kills. It is hard to say for sure. Zerker isn't outlasting an orc, and if they lose weapons even STSF elf is going down like a chump. I've definitely chugged my way through fully charged STSF before, but it is tough.

If I was going to do (from the rager end), I'd definitely go STSF elf (for swiftstrike) and take swords for riposte to rip through orcs. Then I'd make damn sure I had a cursed sword or nodisarm or something.... Probably in both hands... Anything else leads to elf steaks and orc artworks.

Keeping two cursed swords as an elf rager zerker seems like a tall order to me, because you still have to deal with flurry/drum/burst damage of all sorts that will make your piddly 800hp elf with an iron vuln into a wet smear. Probably have to take gates or soul with STSF to try and beef up there. Plus parry anything, evasive, etc.
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Idiot underestimates lag of murder

LogFiend 990 December 29, 2015 06:28PM

Gnome shifter against maces? (n/t)

Kstatida 269 December 30, 2015 02:07AM

Vuln blunt doesn't transfer to form. (n/t)

Murphy 311 December 30, 2015 03:43AM

Are you sure?

Demtok 414 December 30, 2015 06:39AM

Weapon/Element weaknesses/resistances do not carry over into forms. There's an edge that allows resists to carry over to forms though. However race effects do carry over. Catnip will still work for a Felar shifter even in form.

dalneko 354 December 30, 2015 07:19AM

same old debate

ellokraine 537 December 29, 2015 09:08PM

An orc (non chief) could hand varnon his ass time and again with preps bought in stores.

Nurok 386 December 30, 2015 03:49AM

Situational

daurwyn(VIP) 371 December 30, 2015 04:52AM

Believe me, a D-elf STSF dagger defender is going to do better vs an orc

Nurok 420 December 30, 2015 04:58AM

Autumn/Gates Beserker pincersvirf. Destroyed Orcs. nt

TheProphet 377 December 30, 2015 05:08PM

Chump Orcs maybe. I'd punt your ass to oblivion...

laearrist 328 December 31, 2015 11:36AM

I hated punt

Quas 346 January 01, 2016 07:31AM

Yea, punt is svirf killer. With a certain size diff it sends you flying and lags (I think) which is why reduced gnome gets face eaten. (n/t)

laearrist 283 January 01, 2016 07:36AM

Greeting/Cry Fire Giant Sword/Pole Berserker

zannon 456 December 30, 2015 05:14AM

Right, but that's because he has a counter to bash

daurwyn(VIP) 362 December 30, 2015 05:12AM

Nah greeting crashing berserker is generally going to be easy pickings

Quas 348 December 30, 2015 06:46AM

How does an Orc reliably lag a warrior with greeting? (n/t)

Rhyaldrin 291 December 30, 2015 07:35AM

Headbutt should work. Never got to try my wraithform idea, stupid imperials (n/t)

Elystan 286 December 30, 2015 12:58PM

I've been consistently dissapointed by headbutt. Even post changes. (n/t)

laearrist 309 December 30, 2015 02:59PM

I loved it

daurwyn(VIP) 347 December 31, 2015 07:16AM

I've never gotten consistent/reliable trip lag out of it.

laearrist 327 December 31, 2015 11:38AM

I prefer lash+lasher edge. If they changed it so you could headbutt while dual wielding - sure. (n/t)

Nurok 295 December 30, 2015 04:21PM

Be bigger and bash them, heck don't need to be bigger

Quas 371 December 30, 2015 07:53AM

I've never been reliably bashed by anyone as a greeting warrior.

Rhyaldrin 375 December 30, 2015 10:32AM

Nep posted somewhere it only negates bashes 1/5 times at its best. n/t

jalim 279 December 30, 2015 11:51AM

He also said something similar about parry anything

daurwyn(VIP) 360 December 31, 2015 05:54AM

Felt considerably higher than that as Sindrir.

Rhyaldrin 364 December 30, 2015 12:47PM

Have successfully bashed greeting warriors... A lot...

laearrist 379 December 30, 2015 11:44AM

It saved Baelen's ass a lot.. (n/t)

Elystan 312 December 30, 2015 12:57PM

Even if it's 1/5 like jalim says that should still be enough to survive an Orc.

Rhyaldrin 360 December 30, 2015 12:50PM

Anything that can be reliably lagged is Orc-meat.

Nurok 338 December 30, 2015 05:16AM

Yeah but don't you guys value your time?

Death_Claw 323 January 06, 2016 09:23AM

This is false in nearly every way.... (n/t)

laearrist 275 January 06, 2016 10:14AM

Does savage feeding fire on drive?

zannon 293 December 30, 2015 05:19AM

Not on drive itself - I don't know if a landslide guy drove me as Kobuk or not.

Nurok 309 December 30, 2015 05:22AM

I know concealed is anti bash

daurwyn(VIP) 418 December 30, 2015 09:03AM

If you can't be lagged via bash due to concealed - how do you argue that you don't "get use" out of defender skills

Nurok 311 December 30, 2015 09:05AM

Against most enemies I agree defender is great

daurwyn(VIP) 402 December 30, 2015 10:03AM

STSF elf/drow dagger/sword is tougher. Even noremove giant sword can just be bashed through...

laearrist 316 December 30, 2015 11:45AM

But

daurwyn(VIP) 315 December 31, 2015 05:58AM

I'm on the fence re:defender vs berserker easier kills for orc

laearrist 329 December 31, 2015 11:55AM

Giant pole works if they get a no remove one.

Quas 301 December 31, 2015 12:41PM

Brinkmun had the Fauchard of Mammon for a time. NT

Sam 329 December 31, 2015 06:02PM

Mage didn't have even stoneskin up

alex 421 December 30, 2015 12:46AM

You really over estimate village warriors.

tesline 427 December 29, 2015 10:09PM

Won - yes. Sealed the kill? Doubt it. n/t

Death_Claw 308 January 06, 2016 09:19AM

without deathblow it would have been an easy flee; shapeshift air form; fly to prevent death (n/t)

orbain 365 January 06, 2016 10:15AM

I think you underestimated the importance of damage reduction when fighting berserkers more. (n/t)

wrathpuppet 377 December 29, 2015 07:27PM



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