*** I have permission from the Imm in question to post the full log, and I may do so, but this outlines the reasons
*** Also I wanted to get Scarab's go ahead since he was there too.  I'll probably email him about it.
*** Setup is I log on to talk about the "created to annoy others" portion of the denial.  I clearly support the self-outting portion.
*** So I'm literally not protesting the denial, and I think, in the end, the OOC/IC conflation means even on "annoy others"
*** I had incredibly shaky ground to make a stand on even if I hadn't self-outted.  In the end, I don't 100% agree on that
*** portion, but I'm more wrong than right as there was clearly IC and OOC bleed over, which is part of why I went OOC
*** in a way that I haven't (except to point people at the wiki world map) in years.  None of this is defense, just context.

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 11 AM> ' Wd' 
An Immortal says 'I am curious: what exactly is your intent with the full saccing of people?'

' Several things...
You say 'Several things...'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 PM> ' 1) Try something different
You say '1) Try something different'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 PM> 
An Immortal says 'and why would your Villager sacrifice all of the non_magical gear instead of putting it inside the village for other villagers?'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 PM> ' I actually didn't sac it.
You say 'I actually didn't sac it.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 PM> ' I just didn't include it in the log because of length.
You say 'I just didn't include it in the log because of length.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 1 PM> ' I appraised it all, swapped out like 5 piecese of my own shit gear, 
An Immortal says 'fine, so on your other kill that you posted the log of'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 1 PM> put the non magic in 
An Immortal says 'where you did post the full sac'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 2 PM> the pit
You say 'I appraised it all, swapped out like 5 piecese of my own shit gear, put the non magic in the pit'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 2 PM> ' No where to put it.  Also evil mage.
You say 'No where to put it.  Also evil mage.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 2 PM> ' As a character, I wanted to deprive that character of their ability to do harm.
You say 'As a character, I wanted to deprive that character of their ability to do harm.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 3 PM> ' 
An Immortal says 'So what are the other intents of your full saccing besides trying something different?'

' 2) Revenge story.
You say '2) Revenge story.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 3 PM> ' 3) Get people to work together to gang me down (that one is OOC-ish)
You say '3) Get people to work together to gang me down (that one is OOC-ish)'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 4 PM> ' Did you know there was a non-villager duergar logged in while th

Autosaving.

atcivilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 5 PM>  transmuter fought and died alone?
You say 'Did you know there was a non-villager duergar logged in while that transmuter fought and died alone?'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 5 PM> ' Vs. a single villager pickpocket thief.
You say 'Vs. a single villager pickpocket thief.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 5 PM> ' Why the fuck didn't he ask the duergar for help!?!
You say 'Why the fuck didn't he ask the duergar for help!?!'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 5 PM> ' Or the assassin I was clearly fighting a second before he started knocking on the giant.
You say 'Or the assassin I was clearly fighting a second before he started knocking on the giant.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 6 PM> 
An Immortal says 'maybe he was going to try for Outlander, not sure'

' Nor am I, but it seemed like he had options but instead wanted to work alone.
You say 'Nor am I, but it seemed like he had options but instead wanted to work alone.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM> ' 4)
An Immortal says 'Lets take a step back on it for a sec though and rewind to when you played Krunk'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM>  Gear and prep circulation.
You say '4) Gear and prep circulation.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM> ' I just never got to hero to start that.
You say 'I just never got to hero to start that.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM> ' Sure.
You say 'Sure.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM> 
An Immortal says 'you were super classy as Krunk'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 7 PM> ' I'm super classy with most of my character
An Immortal says 'to the point it was actually questionable orc RP at times'

.civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 8 PM>s.  Brayan was notable as the exception.
You say 'I'm super classy with most of my characters.  Brayan was notable as the exception.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 9 PM> ' Agreed.
You say 'Agreed.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 9 PM> ' Krunk should have fulled several villagers, but most of them were Jerrotard.
You say 'Krunk should have fulled several villagers, but most of them were Jerrotard.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 9 PM> ' and with a pet was in the unique position to be able to do so easily and thouroughly.
You say 'and with a pet was in the unique position to be able to do so easily and thouroughly.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 10 PM> ' I can't spell.
You say 'I can't spell.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 10 PM> 
An Immortal says 'do you think the game would have benefited, or even your own enjoyment with the character, had you acted with full loot/sac?'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 10 PM> ' Possibly.
You say 'Possibly.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 11 PM> ' Krunk should have been fulled when he died.
You say 'Krunk should have been fulled when he died.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 11 PM> ' He was 400-20 or whatever for fucks
An Immortal says 'or had you used banned to blow up peoples gear instead of waiting for them to get back to their corpse before using it?'

 scivilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 11 PM> ake.  You don't leave a monster 
An Immortal says 'banner, not banned'

lcivilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 AM> ike that with 90+% of their shit after death.
You say 'He was 400-20 or whatever for fucks sake.  You don't leave a monster like that with 90+% of their shit after death.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 12 AM> ' Banner I would probably use if I didn't hate it.
You say 'Banner I would probably use if I didn't hate it.'

'civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 1 AM>  And also it sucks to destroy gear.
You say 'And also it sucks to destroy gear.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 1 AM> ' Bu
An Immortal says 'regardless of what choices other people make or made'

t civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 1 AM> I got plenty of grief for 
An Immortal says 'I am just talking about you and your choices with it'

lcivilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 2 AM> ooting stuff like prayer beads and healms of brilliance.
You say 'But I got plenty of grief for looting stuff like prayer beads and healms of brilliance.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 2 AM> ' They are connected.  People wouldn't full Krunk because he didn't full.
You say 'They are connected.  People wouldn't full Krunk because he didn't full.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 3 AM> ' Which was bad for them, and to some extent, bad for me.
You say 'Which was bad for them, and to some extent, bad for me.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 3 AM> ' Krunk worked alone because he always had the set.
You say 'Krunk worked alone because he always had the set.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 3 AM> ' Or enough of it to rebuild whatever was lost.


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civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 4 AM> You say 'Or enough of it to rebuild whatever was lost.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 4 AM> 
An Immortal says 'most people, to their benefit and to their downfall, struggle to disconnect player and character, IC and OOC'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 4 AM> ' True.
You say 'True.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 5 AM> 
An Immortal says 'there is a really blurred line between the two, especially when it comes to things like time sink/investment/waste'

*** Snip a whole bunch ***

tucivilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 8 AM> ally probably 6) for full loot.
You say 'That is actually probably 6) for full loot.'

civilized <100%hp 100%m 100%mv 2000tnl (50.00%) 8 AM> ' Start a conversation about it.
You say 'Start a conversation about it.'

*** Apparently I can't count to 5. ***

*** The line between "wasting" someone's time with a full loot vs. ghost timer vs. breaking up a ranking group (even if no one dies) is not
*** nearly as clear as some believe it to be.  I'm not 100% on board with Sportsmanship killing CF, but there is a certain faction of vets
*** that wouldn't be nearly as sportsmanlike if they didn't win 90%+ of the time and use it as an excuse to expect gear in return even when
*** their enemies should full loot them as they are a real threat, and won't remain naked for long.  I might also belong to that faction of
*** vets.  I just pretend not to have a tell command until the ghost timer wears off.  I find this is better for everyone.