There were 5...

May 18, 2017 05:46AM
1) Try something different

This is about challenging the assumption that full looting is "terrible" and makes me a horrible person and all of that stuff people throw my way below. That line of looting vs. not loot just isn't as black and white as people want to pretend it is.

2) Revenge story

Who doesn't like getting revenge on someone who mistreated your character? Imagine you got fulled, then had the chance to return the favor. That can be a great story for your character.

3) Get people to work together to gang me down (that one is OOC-ish)

I don't know why that doesn't work. Probably because we've all gotten stuck in Rambo solo killer mode, but why don't people recruit allies to help? Why didn't this mage get the duergar or the assassin to help? Ideally it would encourage more social play. There are some comments below talking about with higher player numbers, you could get an ally and gang someone down to regear or get handouts or whatever. I think this is still possible, but people don't do it, and I think that is a problem.

4) Gear and prep circulation

This is why I made a thief and not something more capable of actually landing kills. The ability to strip preps and extraneous gear from people and put it back into circulation, either via ragers (who tend to die alot) or Tahren (which puts it back on NPCs and gives people a reason to go try and get it again). I mean when people basically farm a prep until it is maxed and then horde that prep religiously like some sort of crazed Russian (I'm directly poking fun at Beront, in case that wasn't clear), you've got something broken. I wanted to remove the ability to do that fairly directly. Died at the Big D and go crazy to get your Hell gear back? I don't think so. That shit is gone. Go get some other gear.

6) Start a conversation about it

Probably the only real success. A bunch of people have stuck to the full loot is terrible line, and some have go full on the other way, but hopefully some see that it isn't as black and white as the community was pretending it was. Matrik has a point that if full loots are a time waste, so is and PK, and con-loss, and breaking up a ranking group with attempted PK. As Grokko, how many ranking groups did you ruin in FoN and Trolls even when you didn't land a kill? How dare you waste someones time! Full loot maybe crosses the line of being a dick in the general sense, but it isn't a well defined line and any number of behaviors can cross it depending on the dynamics of what happens.

There are some videos about asymetric character design I might post about, but they outline how everyone wants to fill their niche and have stuff that is specificly tailored for them. But with the level of preps available and gear that makes you crazy strong, a character can become a one person wrecking ball and fill a bunch of niches... that crowds out the classes design for those. As an example, if you have strange bracers and can permalag fairly reliably yourself... Why would you ever need a transmuter ally? Spiderhands, fly, enlarge, reduce, haste, detect invis, limited healing, damage reduction, fearie fog/fire, pass door, even slow under some circumstance... These are part of the core niche of muter, but you don't need them for any of it. Just gather the prep.
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ROTD (partial)

laearrist 1210 May 18, 2017 04:10AM

You pussies wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes on AR/FL

Tolnum 411 June 14, 2017 06:38PM

Anyone who wants to full loot should have a big red flag on the character announcing so (n/t)

starbright 531 May 20, 2017 12:59PM

Obviously no.

scr 733 May 20, 2017 01:42PM

Re: Obviously no.

Isildur(VIP) 794 May 20, 2017 04:27PM

Whatever happened to Jakhu? Did he get denied finally? There isn't a death thread. n/t

jalim 627 May 20, 2017 02:27PM

Why would he get denied?

Rhyaldrin 669 May 20, 2017 03:15PM

Wasn't he in your tribunal perma? (n/t)

Kstatida 513 May 21, 2017 02:38AM

Nope

Rhyaldrin 631 May 21, 2017 12:52PM

Racist (n/t)

Kstatida 547 May 21, 2017 08:39PM

Okay. =P n/t

jalim 557 May 20, 2017 04:09PM

LOL, you're such primitive attention whore

scr 634 May 19, 2017 10:37PM

ba bah black sheep (n/t)

Matrik 577 May 19, 2017 10:49PM

This is all really simple... All he's doing is shouting "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME!"

wasted 544 May 18, 2017 09:11AM

Not only did you swing and miss, but the bat flew out of your hands and struck your mother in the face.

Frosty 615 May 18, 2017 06:34PM

Wah wah wah...

wasted 625 May 18, 2017 08:57PM

Strike two.

Frosty 592 May 19, 2017 07:17PM

Don't have a meltdown over it...

wasted 579 May 19, 2017 08:40PM

You just don't get it....

lightmage 793 May 18, 2017 05:50AM

You don't "teach" people in anonymous online games.

Death_Claw 635 May 19, 2017 10:50AM

I think there is one important aspect people aren't really mentioning.

KoeKhaos 684 May 19, 2017 03:39AM

you can thank the imms for those changes, the change that made dragons harder to kill is sad (n/t)

badboy 575 May 22, 2017 06:03PM

^ THIS

Lokith 565 May 19, 2017 09:10AM

Re: You just don't get it....

Kstatida 615 May 18, 2017 06:32AM

Are you playing again? I'm honestly curious...

laearrist 670 May 18, 2017 06:01AM

By making the game more accessible to new players.

regreath 651 May 18, 2017 10:20AM

I'm happy to share any info you like.

Matrik 627 May 18, 2017 10:44AM

Lies

Kstatida 588 May 18, 2017 10:46AM

Griefing implies using mechanics in unintended ways.

Matrik 550 May 18, 2017 05:53AM

Griefing is employing tactics soley for the purpose of frusterating or angering the other player. Nothing wrong with full sac as a mechanic. (n/t)

regreath 545 May 18, 2017 10:11AM

Agreed.

Matrik 568 May 18, 2017 10:42AM

Because in some cases griefing is well-deserved

Kstatida 563 May 18, 2017 10:44AM

Who gets to judge?

Matrik 496 May 18, 2017 10:45AM

Me. n/t

jalim 519 May 19, 2017 12:10PM

Who cares if you're a fan?

Kstatida 540 May 18, 2017 10:47AM

Incorrect. I fare just fine independently. Will to power. (n/t)

Matrik 504 May 18, 2017 10:47AM

That's only because you weren't spat at yet. (n/t)

Kstatida 570 May 18, 2017 10:50AM

Do you think I'm less contrarian in real life? (n/t)

Matrik 500 May 18, 2017 10:50AM

Of course

Kstatida 536 May 18, 2017 11:34AM

Negative.

Matrik 554 May 18, 2017 11:40AM

How is that a relevant answer? (n/t)

Kstatida 521 May 18, 2017 11:42AM

Sorry, it's a USA thing. Russian slaves can't understand. (n/t)

Matrik 521 May 18, 2017 11:44AM

How about you fuck off? (n/t)

Kstatida 496 May 18, 2017 01:48PM

"How about we fuck on?" -Cyrus (n/t)

Frosty 544 May 18, 2017 06:16PM

"Unfuck you" - Lenny Bruce (n/t)

Matrik 521 May 18, 2017 06:20PM

That man was wise beyond his years. (n/t)

Frosty 529 May 18, 2017 06:36PM

Calm yourself, Kstatida!

MiyagiYojimbo 590 May 18, 2017 03:11PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...I fucking love your posts.

bloodmoon 538 May 18, 2017 03:37PM

Cowabunga!

MiyagiYojimbo 588 May 18, 2017 09:11PM

Seriously. (n/t)

Frosty 529 May 18, 2017 06:36PM

My pleasure. (n/t)

Matrik 528 May 18, 2017 02:03PM

Mechanics and choices are different things

Kstatida 545 May 18, 2017 06:43AM

Didn't say it was.

Matrik 555 May 18, 2017 07:01AM

I have not stated that

Kstatida 576 May 18, 2017 07:14AM

So your argument is irrelevant. (n/t)

Matrik 514 May 18, 2017 07:32AM

On what ground? (n/t)

Kstatida 497 May 18, 2017 07:43AM

I said so. (n/t)

Matrik 523 May 18, 2017 07:47AM

Why don't they just remove the mechanic?

Matrik 636 May 18, 2017 05:37AM

Noone can remove a mechanic of being able to be a d-bag

Kstatida 522 May 18, 2017 05:44AM

Sure they can.

Death_Claw 586 May 19, 2017 10:46AM

Pretty good idea for a giant angry mutant thing. (n/t)

Matrik 542 May 19, 2017 11:34AM

Re: Noone can remove a mechanic of being able to be a d-bag

Isildur(VIP) 740 May 18, 2017 05:59AM

3 is a good idea, IMO (n/t)

regreath 631 May 18, 2017 10:08AM

They quite literally can in this case. (n/t)

Matrik 493 May 18, 2017 05:56AM

I still don't get it

Kstatida 668 May 18, 2017 04:17AM

I'm sorry you don't like my reasons? (n/t)

laearrist 511 May 18, 2017 05:07AM

It's not about whether I like them or not, I didn't get them

Kstatida 567 May 18, 2017 05:22AM

There were 5...

laearrist 534 May 18, 2017 05:46AM

Re: There were 5...

wasted 569 May 19, 2017 08:09AM

Calm down miner. (n/t)

Matrik 505 May 19, 2017 11:41AM

Don't understand the implied meaning, but it's an honest profession. (n/t)

wasted 539 May 19, 2017 02:43PM

gold digging is one of the oldest professions, #preach (n/t)

jhyrbian 534 May 19, 2017 04:40PM

It's one thing if you full a pimped-out vet and another a midrank newb

Tadam 541 May 18, 2017 06:41AM

+1 (n/t)

regreath 548 May 18, 2017 10:04AM

There is nothing to get

zoskia 527 May 18, 2017 04:48AM

He is like rock-star of 80th with a single HIT. Almost forgotten and abandoned, unable to create anything new

zanzarin 601 May 18, 2017 04:44AM



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